[Kowboy]

The real debate is between god and the big bang. I for one believe in the big bang, it is a lot more practical and has quite a bit of proof behind it, such as the expanding universe.

[Res]

[Neraphym]

I'm no theologist or physicist, and I have questioned this in the past, but I firmly stand behind religion. It all comes down to logic. There can be no logical answer other than a god of some sort exists. If the big bang theory is true, then there must of at one time been the thingy that everything banged from. How did that get there? Eh? On the other hand, how did god get there? If someone put him there, where did that dude come from. With god, there is a never ending loop, thus he is the Alpha and Omega. With the big bang, it just stops at illogical. If the big bang did happen, there must be a god. Until science can find a law, not a theory, that explains the workings of our universe, then a god must exist. That is what logic tells us.

Cspace's Bigbang paper thingy

This post has been edited by Alpha Weapon: 22 December 2003 - 10:11 PM

[Gen. Warthog]

*high fives AW

I agree with AW, there has to be a God, personally I do believe that there is one true God who created us all, but I really can't say that I have proof, due to the fact that I haven't really been questioned about it. I will try to ask some people whom I trust in religion and theology and try to come up with a decent amount of "proof" that there is in fact a God.

[Unrealblight]

im not sure alothough im am i cristain i still wounder i mean mabey there was a person god hype realated but not as ture as the bible said and the holy text isnt really holy just a fruad and also how could a single oragainsim create animals,watar, earth , other planets, possibly solar systems it makes no sence but like i said mabey ther was some closeish to what we say god is like... st.nick , we all know he dosent still lived but there was someone closely realted to him. this is my frist time at the debate forum so im not sure if this was how i shcould post it

[Killerconvic]

This is directed toward GoveaMaster - I personally feel that if you want people to be able to understand/respond to your opinions, you should use proper (or something resembling proper) grammar and spelling.

To Alpha - You make a great point. This is seeminlgy an unending loop, and perhaps out of human comprehension. I feel that all of my questions will be answered when I die.

[Unrealblight]

killer sorry im not a walking dictonary/grammer book

and also i dont really belive in after life that much i belive in life after life and the fact that you just die and thats the end of it nothing to it


why am i a christain lol i read the bible 8 times but i still disbleive most of it...

[Minerdamian]

Listen all of you, to try to prove god with mere logic is to sayhe doesn't exist at all but you want to try and prove something that is supposed to be unexplainable. You cannot base god with logic in any way, form, or fashion. He is the anti-logic. You cannot base god with today's logic in no way. In doing so you are saying he is a creature just like us humans and we are all in the same. God is no more powerful than that of humans. But this "god" person could have infact been a loner in his own ways that was an artist. A poetic intellectual man. He could've written the bible himself and called it a "Holy Book". It could've been so widespread that people turned his fantasy stories and legends into folklore and his stories became believe by many people to be true. But that is just one theory about "god". my own I must add.

[Neraphym]

[Kowboy]

The big bang, like the "god" theory is a loop also. The universe, according to the big bang, was a supermassive "ball", which exploded (and is now still expanding) and will one day retract again into the ball, then explode again. Im not saying there couldnt be a god, I am a non-practicing roman catholic so I don't know much about the bible but I consider the big bang more practical than an "almighty man."

[Minerdamian]

For all of you that are reading this topic adn adding to this discussion. Do not be feared by what other people's responses are or think that they direct things at you persnally. This dicsussion is goni to get "intense" and in no manner should anyone take offense to what is said. This is just a friendly discussion amongst friends in this world. Don't close this topic please. I am expanding my view on God and the many Theories of our being and on the bible. But Alpha, I do believe in higher powers I might add. The being in mythological times such as Zeus and Hates I believe do exist. But they are not "gods" they are just human who have developed great ablities and brought them to their greatest potential. Except over the years, the folklore tells of these "gods" has come to the point where their strengths haev been exceded in their stories and they are believe to be "godlike creatures". Just another theory about how "god" was named just that.

[Grand one]

Myself I dont think theres a god in this dimension (I reckon there could be in other dimensions but thats a whole different debate) I have so many reasons Ive worked out for this.

1. I reckon the whole religion (In my opinion misleading and silly but I accept that I can be wrong) thing was created to establish power.For example cave man says "I saw a fire light from nothing, it is a sign that I must be chief" or "I am gods chosen one" the less intelligent of the cave men instantly belive 'wise ugg' and make him their leader thinking that he was a miracle man. But what if ugg cant make miracles? well he can fake it, lets say he makes clay sculptures and magically god blesses them by making those sculptures real. Ugg would just make deer sculptures when he spots deer are near. So ugg stays as leader.
The only reason some leaders are not religious is because tough people rise to the top as well as cunning people.

So thats my first reason as an excuse for power.

2. If humans cant work something out then they feel uncomfterble therefore stuff like god comes up. "What happens after you die?" "You come back again silly"
"Why are we here?" "A giant man in the sky made us"

3. In all religios books the religions god or gods do something to prove they exist, for example parting the sea and whatnot they preformed miracles before why not now huh?

4. I dont see a noha type flood everytime crime rates go up..

5. Other religions belive just as strongly in their god(s) and their god(s) alone. each religons god(s) decree that they are the only gods. Why did they start beliving in their gods when its your god that really exists they have the same concept but so what their god cant possibly exist....

6. Dinosaurs?
The bible says god created humans from the beginning, scientists have proven thats a lie by discovering dinosours and things.

7. Evolution?
I know its hard to accept that we are (or might be so i dont sound bigoted) apes but look at them they are the same shape and everything.

8. Disasters?
If gods so good and he loves us so much why doesnt he stop earthquakes huh?

9. Kids belive what their parents teach them the reason most havnt stopped beliving in god as science progresses is that humans teach children as scientists cant prove outright that god doesnt exist (Though they will continue to take chunks out of it one at a time, but really everyone wont stop beliving) people will continue to teach facts unless facts can be proven wrong, even primitive facts. Everyone belived the earth was the center of everything, its been disproved so no one belives that anymore.

10. People trust authority figures, humans are pack animals and the majority of people will belive what a leader says is true.

11. Most humans cant belive in the concept of infinity because its too mindblowingly hard to think of everything (because you cant ) therefore people invent begginings and ends "We started because of god, we will end because of god" and why is god infinite "because he's god".
For instance numbers 0123456789..........(inf) you can count forever and never will there be an end. Ahh you say theres no end but there is a beggining in truth 0 is not the beggining its a starting point, before 0 youve got -1 -2 -3 ect.
You see the earth was created sometime in infinity rather that at the beggining of infinity (which has no beginning that defies the point of infinity) you have to have a place to put the start and the end (and what happens after the end? nothing? nothing is still something nothing can therefore ever be final).
People can say scientists have invented a scientific comferting answer by inventing the big bang begginging but its not its a start before the big bang there was supposedly nothing but even nothing is something. God is made out to be a beginning to everything the big bang is a more plausible start.
(I strayed off of the point there what i did was try to disprove that there is a start to EVERYTHING!! but prove that there was a start to Everything excluding what came before everything I think even me trying to tell you what i was telling you is confusing)

Id like to see arguments from the other side here because im positive all of these have a religios opposition answer to them.

[Crescens]

Okaaaaaaaaay, this is getting out of hand. I'm going to have to close this, because people have been getting progessively more hostile toward each other, and I don't want the Debate Forum to be the center of a conflict.

* Closed *

[Crescens]

Magically re-opened.

[Killerconvic]

Thank you for re-opening the topic Cres, i hope it will work well this time...

I will start the commenting by saying yes, God is real. There is no proof either way, but my faith states He exists.