[FF_VII]

i agree with killer

[Gen. Warthog]

Ok, if I was to have to show you that there was in fact an Almighty God, I would honestly tell you I couldn't. Reason being, everyone who shares the belief there is no God, does not believe in the Bible and its fullness. What I am trying to say is very complicated in trying to put my thoughts into words, but I will do my best.

As I stated before, if you do not believe the Bible is in fact correct and believe it in its entirety, then there is no possible way you could beleive there is in fact a God. Proof, if someone was to ask me, "Did God create earth?" I would very plainly answer, yes, and take them in the Bible to Genesis chapter 1 verse 1: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth" However, if you did not beleive the Bible was correct then I couldn't show you that scripture as proof or evidence. Maybe this debate isnt about whether there is a God or not but whether The Bible is correct and historically accurate. I say this because, everything religious is backed and based on a book or a manual. i.e. Muslim the Holy Qur-an
Chrisianity the Bible, and there are many more religions that are based by books...so If you do not beleive in what that book or manual is saying, then you can't possibly fathom the God(s) they beleived in. Another example if you are putting a bookshelf together, and you don't belive that shelf "A" goes together with part "B" as the manual instructs then the bookshelf will never become a bookshelf, therefore rendering its purpose useless. The same is with the Bible and God.

Maybe I have just been rambling on about some mindless chatter, I hope that I have made myself clear in what I am trying to explain. If I do not make sense, I apologize.

O and if I have not made where I stand rather obvious, I believe is an Almighty God.

[Trifang]

Glad this was reopened...it was very informative about how other people feels about something which can almost never be proven. Who knows...

Thx Cres

[Muler]

Wow Wart...that was very well stated...I completely agree...

No way there is a God if you don't BELIEVE

[rero]

U can believe in god without believing in the bible gen. I personally believe in the bible, but someones "God" may be different from my god. like i forgot who said it but they said i think, that technology could be a god. Mythology has many gods. There is no certain God. So u can believe in a god without actually having a certain book.U would just believe in what u think not a book. Do u see what im saying?

I hope u understand what im saying if not, then i dunno what

This post has been edited by rero: 26 December 2003 - 05:18 PM

[Minerdamian]

Show me true evidence that God is real and I shall personally change my religion and go by the word of god.

[Minerdamian]

Each book of religious proof or evidence has been written by one or more people. So these people could just be making their religion biased to their own beliefs and starting a cult "another religion" to make more and more people believe their way is the right way. Because all these different religions are no more different than worldwide known cults that have grown to an enormous size.

[Muler]

Ever wonder if YOUR beliefs are biased? You maybe just want to rebel, and question things?

Maybe I just want to be like many others who believe....its all about the psychology, if you believe and have faith, or if you need physical proof...then you are different from me.

Ironic somebody named damian would spark up a debate like this, eh?

[Gen. Warthog]

OK, well maybe I didn't explain myself well enough, I did not mean that there is no God if you do not belive in the Bible and its fullness...I meant there is no possible way to truely belive in "God" (seeing him as the creator, which the Bible explains) if you do not belive the Bible.

Now as for the polytheism as opposed to monotheism, It is very true that technology can be a "God", in fact the dictionary defines "God" in many different ways, let me point out the 5th definition:
God:

1a being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.

2 The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.

3 A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.

4 An image of a supernatural being; an idol.

5 One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god.

6 A very handsome man.

7 A powerful ruler or despot.

Now after showing that "God" is anything we put an excessive amount of time into, I can tell you there are many different "Gods" and that is a fact. I cannot tell you that I do not belive there are not various "Gods" in my life, however I do belive in One True God and the oneness of God, but that is a different debate this one is whether "God" exists or not. Which leads me into this subject.

With the issue of polytheism concerning mythology of the greek and roman beliefs, each "God" held specific jobs and titles, however, none were able to do anothers job, therefore people had to worship each and every "God" everyday. This is especially true in the Egyption belief, every morning the people would get up and pray to each "God" naming them in order from the one who started the day with the sun (Ra) and ending with various ones.

Now that the fact many people of all ages and time periods did in fact belive in a or many "Gods" there must be some kind of connection between is there a God, well considering there have been "God(s)" throughout history there must be something larger then each and every one of us, which we can call "God".
If you would like to state that "God" was just a fad or something that was in style, i would have to tell you you were wrong due to the fact fads come and go while "God" has stayed throughout the ages, well I g2g so i wll add more later/

[Minerdamian]

You have really done your research there pal. Nice to see that you strongly support your beliefs unlike other people. But you make alot of great points that prove god to exist in one form or another. "God" Is really just a very old human back thousands of year ago who people worships due to his greatness and what he done with his life, he could have been the people's savior in his village. Just another theory though.

[Gen. Warthog]

ok, a couple of things, do you or do you not belive there a God? Unless you were speaking hypothetically, you do because you just spoke about a "form" of a "God" which seems to resemble Jesus, which is fully God and fully Flesh, meaning he was perfect due to being God in the Flesh, which is backed by the scriptures (John 10:30- I and my Father are one) but I was just wondering.

If you do, plz respond quickly and I will enlighten you about my theory of "God". So if we agree that "God" does exist in one way or another that is a rather large step from the first post you made on this subject.

BTW, thank you for your support, I do strongly belive in God, and yes I have researched it, I feel like if I can't give you the truth then I shouldn't even speak. So I will do my best to use all my resources (knowledge, Bible, and people I know and trust to give me honest answers) to give you "proof" God Does exist. I truely believe there is a way to show you "God" does exist, because if I couldn't prove it, then why would I belive it myself? With that said, I will do my best to come up with a suitable answer to your inquiry about proof God exists.

[Minerdamian]

I believe that there is a "form of god" in my beliefs god being no more than a mortal man who has achieved greatness throughout his life doing things to his best abilities and by far doing anything and everything greater than any other person around in those times. Such as hercules has been told, he is a god, by his strength, no man can match him. God could be the same way except they just named him "God"

[Gen. Warthog]

well, hercules is not a god, he is/was something called a hero. As for God to be a mortal who did extrodinary things, you are partially correct,(well, based on my thinking and religion) Jesus was a mortal man who did just what u said, "achieved greatness throughout his life doing things to his best abilities and by far doing anything and everything greater than any other person around in those times" however Jesus was God in the flesh, which is esentially what you are saying, am I correct?

If that is waht you are saying then you are cutting God off at his son Jesus, so in ur opinion there is a God, but it would just be a person, does this god change forms over the ages or does he stay the same??? I am not trying to belittle your way of thinking or any ideas you have, I just love to listen to peoples opinions and belief systems so that I can relate more to them, you knw what I mean? But anyways, if you could answer those questions I would appriciate it.

[Minerdamian]

This god i am talking about would live and die like any other mortal man, become sick with disease, illnesses, etc just like man. I am saying Jesus is just a mere man who claims to be God's son who he very well may be, but a huge play has been preformed and many people believed it.

[Gen. Warthog]

ok, so correct me if I am wrong, u belive that men such as lets say....Martin Luther King Jr. could be god, Malcom X, Alexander the Great, Napolean, Adolph Hitler? Men such as the ones I just named?
If so, let me agree with you, to some people they are god/s, however, did they ever heal a man? Raise someone from the dead? Give life to a barren womb? If they were that extroidenary, what can keep me from god one day, or yourself for that matter? I just think God would be a different person in everyones life, for example my grandpa is god, if that were the case then how could everyone who belived that way, get together and express their opinion on god? It doesn't make much sense to me, could you explain a little more?


Btw, it is kinda funny, we are the only ones still replying, so lets get some more input about this,

and another thing, I dont' think you should leve just yet, if you want to later tat is ur desicion, but as the composer of this forum, you should stay til the end hint hint *don't leave!