[Kowboy]

Theoretically (sp?) energy cannot be created or destroyed. What about humans? Don't we have energy in us that makes us move/think/live? When we die our bodies "tire." What about the energy inside of us? It has to go someplace... any thoughts?

[CongressJon]

This is a very philosophical discussion, but I'll give it a go

To start the debate, I ask you a simple question: Why? Why are we born from our mothers? Do we serve a purpose of fullfilling our duty on earth, of making God or Jesus happy for what we do? It is this question that leads to the question, "Why do we even have this energy?" Why are we born with such energy? Such energy from which we take for granted, barely even notice, but understand that without it we are empty shells; soul-less and bleak. So where does this come from? There are scientific and religious debates.

1. Could it be that our mothers who we are born from pass on some of their on energy to us as infants, so that they still have their sufficiant amount, and yet we only need a bit? Could it be that as we grow this energy builds, therefore enforcing growth of the body and mind?

2. Could it be, rather, that God blesses us as we are born; gives us life, and freedom? Is God the one behind all of the wonders of the world? Did God create the miracles of life? We cannot know, for there is no proof for us to examine within our five senses. It is probably something we will never know.

Therefore, moving on from where the energy may come from, where does it go when we die (assuming it, in fact, does exist)? Each explanation of where it may come from nurtures a different answer. Could it be, that as we live our lives, our work, physical and mental, uses up tiny bits of energy at a time? That, around the age of eighty or so, our energy becomes so much lower? This would certainly explain aging theories and such. But then, if this is so, when the last "drop" of energy is wrung from the person's soul, then they should die, and pass on to who knows where... This would probably explain a scientific theory. Very hypothetical, yet possible.

As for religious theory... Could it just be that depending on our health, our doings, and even our being, that God decides it is time for us to pass on? The energy could be taken by Him, and as your soul swirls into the coulds of heaven, He returns the precious energy, to have us live again, as angels in heaven.

We will never know, but why doesn't everyone else share their opinion on this life and death debate?

Note: Mind if this goes to debate?

[serpharimon]

[rero]

i dont think anything i say can compare to the two above me.... they both got great points.

[serpharimon]

heh i stoped reading hyper's after the first paragraph (didnt feel like reading so much )

[Kowboy]

[serpharimon]

i really dont know how all tht energy stuff works im just saying wut my robotic's teacher said: "energy cant be created nor destroyed" (a kid says energy can be created and here i am thinking of friction) and he said "oh im sorry nuclear energy with the atoms"

i think thts wut he said...

[Stargate3216]

Ever heard of the Bible?

[CongressJon]

Ever heard of the Bible?

In fact, yes, I have. But, however, the Bible doesn't quite mention this particular topic directly. Not in the way we're addressing it, nor in a way indirectly.

P.S. Star, could you please stop reviving topics in such a way? People are beginning to get annoyed.

[Ferret Overlord]

Honestly, I just think that we dissapate. Our molecules ("energy" as you non sciency people call it) force through the little space that exists between the atoms of earth separating them from the free world. Our molecules then settle into the ground, creating more life, just to go through the same process.

[©allum]

Some people believe in life after death.

I tend to think of it as the other way around.

[Fabolous]

so you mean reincarnation?

[©allum]

Death after Life...

[Xemem]

okay...

first some facts:

#1. Mater and energy are indestructable. while niether can be destroyed they are in inter-exchangable, meaning that matter can be converted to energy and visa-versa.

#2. electro-magnetism can create standard(the type we use to power just about everything) electricity, and electricity can create electro-magnetism.

#3. Steven hawkings, recently re-tracted his views on the ultimate destany of something that enters black whole, and makes contact with the singularity. he now in theory treats them as big recyceling plants rather then incinoraters.(this point of fact gos to show that though dimentional shift may occur--as it is thought that atoms shift in and out of existance on this plain-- it is most likely not a permanent state).



now here is the thing:

there are a few questions that you have to decide for yourself(others can only suply you with information, make they're arguments for or against, and in all contribiute to "your" descition, but they can not make up your mind for you)

#1. is death a finality, or a transition?

#2. if transitional, what follows death( re-incarnation, essention, heaven, hell ect. ect.)?

#3. what are the rules, or nature of said post-death existance(working under the assumption, of a so called "after life")?

#4. is there subtance beyond the physical?

#5. is the soul of the above said substance, or for its existance on this plain bound to said plain of existance?....



In all:

the main questions you must pose, following rules of logic, partialy set down by euclid, are Does the soul exist and what is its nature(purpose, composition ect.)?
what is the ultimate conclution of said soul(does the soul go to another place when the body dies)?


How I feel about it:

My own little mottos regarding this(the topic of existance and destiny of the soul) are "I am not my body"( I -the essence of me- am my soul, inhabiting a body). and "I am on borrowed time"(the materials that my body are made up of, were once something else, are now this body, and will again change form...im only on a lease).

something I wrote:

To say what something is, one must first be able to say what it is not.
without darkness there would be no lite, becuase there would be nothing to rule it against --define where the charectoristics of one thing start and stop--. havinjg darkness as a rule we can see where lite stops being lite. it is opisites and contrast that allow us to find meaning.

so it is true that where there is something with a begining that thing also has an end...that everything with an end must also posses a begining.

there-fore if life beggins it must end. and if wheer life ends death beggins then death must also have an end(wich is the beggining of life.

I could not say weather or not there is an after life(as in heaven or hell...ultimate reward or punishment). Only that death ends as well as life. weather our souls remain intact I could not say. only that what they consist of must remain extant, and may change form.

[Kaezion]

please, please, PLEASE - read The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene. you all have thoughtful points, but have some crucial facts wrong.

#2. electro-magnetism can create standard(the type we use to power just about everything) electricity, and electricity can create electro-magnetism.

electricity IS electromagnetism. one is not used to create the other; one IS the other.

#3. Steven hawkings, recently re-tracted his views on the ultimate destany of something that enters black whole, and makes contact with the singularity. he now in theory treats them as big recyceling plants rather then incinoraters.(this point of fact gos to show that though dimentional shift may occur--as it is thought that atoms shift in and out of existance on this plain-- it is most likely not a permanent state).

yes, hawkings has stated that he no longer believes that black holes are really permanent. this is because, at the edge of the event horizon of a black hole, the gravity is so strong. allow me to explain: like xemem's #1 said, according to quantum mechanics matter and antimatter is being created all the time from "borrowed" energy: in empty space, for example, an electron and a positron is created (positron is the antimatter to an electron; its "negative", if you will) for a brief instant, borrowing energy from somewhere in the universe. at that same instant, they annhilate each other (because matter and antimatter do that to each other), creating the same amount of energy they "borrowed", and that energy goes back. this happens all the time, everywhere. anyways, this also happens at the edge of a black hole. what the black hole's gravity does, is "suck in" a matter or antimatter particle, and by doing so, accelerates its partner the other way:
so it sucks in antimatter or matter, and away shoots the other paired matter or antimatter particle. then that sucked in piece of antimatter or matter proceeds to annhilate a matching particle at the black hole's core. this is how black holes get smaller over time, and something seems to "escape" the black hole.

energy and mass are like electricity and magnetism: they're part of the same thing. energy can be converted to mass, and vice versa (einstein's famous equation e=mc^2 illustrates this). what nuclear energy is, is taking mass and converting it to energy. mass and energy isnt "created" spontaneously.

as for the energies of the body when it dies, all physical energy translates out of the body; for example, the potential chemical energy stored in your muscles and fat tissues are decomposed by bacteria and worms and bugs and your body heat is quickly dissipated into the air. electrical currents cease, because your brain stops functioning. now, there is the argument that the body has a soul. i believe it is true: your personality, your memories, your emotions, your feelings - i dont believe it can be contained by a network of brain cells and electrical signals. i feel that they are a part of each unique person, unable to be grasped by physical science.