[Rylkan]

I liked the image of attack a hornets nest with a rocket launcher though. But works better with a flame thrower.

[P H U O N G]

Me voting for Kerry!! WOoT wo0T!

[Thatoneguy64]

When I said the thing about should the IQ matter I meant should it matter if one is a genius and one is just a regular guy? The genius could think too far ahead then the enemy might not make the move he thought they would and we would be screwed, while the average guy might wait for a sign of the move to come and then make his counter-move.

(not really a politics thing) How come so many things revolve around christianity? Like the saying "oh my god" or "god bless america" or how the one bumpy thing in your throat is called an "adam's apple" *note: I have nothing against religion, I'm just mad how so much stuff revolves around it*

[Bashae]

Too bad I can't vote or polymorph or hack into the government database... I'd vote for Kerry so much that it's not funny. Down with Bush!

[Rylkan]

Another interesting thing to note, about the draft being reinstated. This time, canada is no escape and from what I ahve heard *yes, please feel free to prove me wrong, would make me feel at ease* educational institutions are no longer an escape from the draft. Not only could this ruin the careers of people but dash their dreams, if they live.

Not sure how many people here it affects, but given my age, it is a worry to me. So I intend to hope upon hope it does happen.

[Rylkan]

Well, I stand corrected, watching the debate, it seems the draft isnt a main issue here.

[Raktor]

Bleh, weasel/spongebob face won our election (John Howard).....

[Kowboy]

Bush Cheney '04. 'Nuff said.

[Rylkan]

Actually, it really isn't enough in a debate. You gave no reason for your supporting Bush, so we can do nothing that is fair in our support or rebuttal since it is a argument with no support or weakness's to it.

[Kowboy]

Okay. We can start with the war in Iraq.

Kerry:

Kerry thinks that we should have never gone to war. If we never went to war, Saddam would be in power right now. If we never went to war, Saddam might have WoMD right now. The only way we could have known was going to war. If we never went to war, the world would be + 1,000 terrorists.

Bush:

Although he rushed into war, it was for good reason. If I said "Okay, 10 days from now I am going to start a war with Iraq," then they would have time to export the WoMD, like they might have already done. If we just ran in there, like we did, we would have a lot better chance of finding WoMD.

What do you think?

[Cspace]

If we never went to war, Saddam would be in power right now.

Along with many other terrible dictators who are currently ignored. Why did we capture Saddam anyway, who was not even behind 9/11 which was the reason we went to war? Last I knew the terrorists did that, not a government (and no, it is technically not an act of war against us). Osama is still free, and the capturing of Saddam isn't really improving anything over there which is apparent now.

By capturing Saddam just because he was bad we are setting a precedent that every dictator should face the same action. Obviously this is impossible, and since no threat to us from Saddam existed, it is a very irresponsible action to take.

If we never went to war, Saddam might have WoMD right now.

Might

This reminds me of talk radio and how it can influence listeners. Entire shows are devoted to "might", "may", "could have", and "what if"... And it affects people because if they don't think about it they believe it. The line between fact and opinion has been dissolved by many Bush supporters, and it is an alternative that can gain a similar effect to lying.

You know what else might happen?

The internet might get a virus tonight which overclocks all connected machines and makes them melt.

A coronal mass ejection might happen tomorrow which will crash thousands of satellites on unsuspecting polar bears in zoos across the country.

By Friday the FDA might find that Vitamin C causes people's heads to explode in controlled experiments.

Next week the Earth's gravitational field might flip and compasses will instead point south.

On Halloween a legion of homicidal ghosts might eat the brains of thousands of small rodents.

On January 1st plains could fall out of the sky due to the y2k5 bug.


You know what did happen?

North Korea, instead, got a chance to build up its nuclear weapons arsenal and Iran now is said to have the capabilities and means to make nukes.

... All because Iraq might have made nukes? Many other countries could make nukes also... in fact every single country "might" make a nuke sometime. Do we need to conquer the world?

The only way we could have known was going to war.

That is so wrong... I'm sorry, but war is not necessary to find something. War should NEVER be considered an investigative measure.

If we never went to war, the world would be + 1,000 terrorists.

Have any proof of this? Do you know for certain every possible path that this world could take? If I'm not wrong... More people hate the U.S. now than before. Terrorists exist when this hate exists, and throwing a rock at the hornets' nest doesn't help.

If I said "Okay, 10 days from now I am going to start a war with Iraq," then they would have time to export the WoMD, like they might have already done.

Then, as I said before, let's conquer the world! Join the party everyone!

Everyone can possibly make and export a nuke, maybe we don't know about one or two, so let's go conquer every country so this threat no longer exists!

Join me in this most noble endeavor!

If we just ran in there, like we did, we would have a lot better chance of finding WoMD.

... And if you get a virus on your computer, smashing the hard drive with a hammer will take care of it quite effectively.


Supernova, as with everyone else, I am not attacking you or anyone. I'm sorry if I sound direct but I am countering the ideas which have been placed on the table, not the individuals who have placed them there.

[Rylkan]

I really have only one thing to add onto Cspace's reply.

You say that we would not have Saddam in power anymore and that there would be one less country with Weapons of Mass Destruction. Well, who are we to decide. I will say this alot in the debate. As Cspace said, there are many other countries with leaders we may view as bad, so does that mean we need to attack them to stop them? Or what about the ones with weapons of Mass Destruction?

Well, if we are basing this solely on what we believe to be right, I'm sure some would believe it to be right to wage all out war on America. I mean, hey, some people see Bush as a horrible leader, and we have weapons on Mass Destruction, we should be stopped at all cost. So why don't we get attacked?

I am not trying to be mean either, but really, we cant decide what is right or wrong or what the moral code should be for out world.

[Stargate3216]

Bush won! Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!