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Did you not understand? I could take kid's book and come up with "satan is lord" and stuff.

I'm Christians,
just let you all know
I know there's allot informations out there are False,
we gotta be careful what we say and do,
i believed everything in the bible says,
but, I do believe that We are living in the last days, I can feel in my Spiritual.

and I encourage you all
to Pray, and pray, and prayfor yourself, your loved ones and for your world. Yet never forget that you are spirit and that your life on earth is temporary and not at all your entire life. For you live eternally and when you die on earth your spirit lives. You and all of us were created as spirits in God's image and likeness. Human is your temporary condition; spirit is your permanent condition. Love yourself unconditionally and love your loved ones, make peace with estranged family members ... and yes, this means you. Forgive all things, for nothing is more important than this. You came to bring peace to earth; you do it one at a time, one life at a time. You can live in peace now. You can have a bright future now, it takes your prayers, your belief, and you changing and cleansing your inner life.
Thank you for listening to me this day. Pray, love, be at peace.

that would
Mary, Mother of Jesus would say... to you all






=S oh, thats no good, please don't say that =\\ just wrong lol

I talked to a friend about this (said that 6/6/06 was approaching), and he said they discovered some very old document recently saying that 666 wasn't really 'the mark of the beast'. I looked it up and found and article:

http://www.beliefnet...ry_16630_1.html

Erm, yes... I heard of that number before well,

Satanists, apocalypse watchers and heavy metal guitarists may have to adjust their demonic numerology after a recently deciphered ancient biblical text revealed that 666 is not the fabled Number of the Beast after all.

A fragment from the oldest surviving copy of the New Testament, dating to the Third century, gives the more mundane 616 as the mark of the Antichrist.

Ellen Aitken, a professor of early Christian history at McGill University, said the discovery appears to spell the end of 666 as the devil's prime number.

"This is a very nice piece to find," Dr. Aitken said. "Scholars have argued for a long time over this, and it now seems that 616 was the original number of the beast."

The tiny fragment of 1,500-year-old papyrus is written in Greek, the original language of the New Testament, and contains a key passage from the Book of Revelation.

So, if you did not know better, you might already be heading to your Bible with a red marker to cross out the 666 and write in 616. After all, we have an textual critic of the New Testament telling us 666 is wrong. But not so fast!

I have a few reasons to keep this one on the shelf, and even to doubt it. Note that none of these are proofs that 616 is wrong. They are just my thinking on why I believe 666 is correct still at this point.

Reasons To Still Prefer 666 over 616
1. The article cites just one man's conclusion. But I'm the type of person who likes to check things out for himself, rather than trust someone else to do my thinking. I want to see the data and reasoning he used to conclude 616 is correct, even though it's in the minority of manuscripts. For example, when I decided that Y'hovah was probably the correct transliteration for God's name in the Old Testament, I did not do so because Nehemia Gordon said so. I did so after looking through the Old Testament manuscripts myself, looking at the vowel points and carefully reasoning out what they likely were telling us were the original vowels. Until I see the proof myself for 616, I'm not likely to switch from 666 based on one man's opinion.

2. One thing that would settle this question would be if a man appeared on the scene fulfilling everything else for the "First Beast from the Sea" in Revelation 13 and other prophecies related to what is (erroneously) called "the Antichrist". If we "calculated" the "number of his name" as instructed and it came to either 616 or 666 we would have our answer. There is such a man. Prince Charles of Wales' heraldic achievement (coat-of-arms) literally consists of the very beasts described in Rev 13 and Dan 7, he is a Prince (Dan 9:27) and he is from the old Roman Empire that destroyed the Temple (Dan 9:27). So what does his name add up to? Rather than 616, his name adds up to 666 using the ancient gematria system. And not only does this work in the English, but also in the official Hebrew transliteration (Nasich Charles Mem Wales). What are the odds anyone would have a name that calculates to the same number in two languages (without tampering with the transliteration like is done to Javier Solana's name to make it equal 666 in Hebrew)?

3. The Book of Revelation introduces very little that is new and tends to mostly expand on concepts or symbols that have already been used elsewhere in the Bible. You must use the rest of the Bible to decipher much of Revelation. It is noteworthy therefore that 616 appears nowhere else in the Bible while 666 appears four times. It very interestingly appears in this verse related to another exalted and adored king, one whom no doubt the coming Antichrist will want to emulate in many ways.

1 Kings 10:14 -- The weight of the gold that Solomon received yearly was 666 talents,
(Thanks to my dear brother Robert for pointing this verse out). If anyone gets a good textual criticism report on 616 vs 666 please let me know as I'd like to get to see why someone would conclude 616 is the original.

4. Irenaeus in the second century, a century before the manuscript Parker relies on, already knew of the 616 variation and discounted it as an error:

Such, then, being the state of the case, and this number being found in all the most approved and ancient copies [of the Apocalypse], and those men who saw John face to face bearing their testimony [to it]; while reason also leads us to conclude that the number of the name of the beast, [if reckoned] according to the Greek mode of calculation by the [value of] the letters contained in it, will amount to six hundred and sixty and six; that is, the number of tens shall be equal to that of the hundreds, and the number of hundreds equal to that of the units (for that number which [expresses] the digit six being adhered to throughout, indicates the recapitulations of that apostasy, taken in its full extent, which occurred at the beginning, during the intermediate periods, and which shall take place at the end), - I do not know how it is that some have erred following the ordinary mode of speech, and have vitiated the middle number in the name, deducting the amount of fifty from it, so that instead of six decads they will have it that there is but one. [I am inclined to think that this occurred through the fault of the copyists, as is wont to happen, since numbers also are expressed by letters; so that the Greek letter which expresses the number sixty was easily expanded into the letter Iota of the Greeks.] - Adv. haer. 5.30
In this rather obscurely expressed passage, Irenaeus was proposing (even in the second century - a century BEFORE this oldest surviving copy!) that old, Greek copies of Revelation contained an error of copying in which the Greek letter xi with gematraic value 60 was wrongly copied into the Greek letter iota with number value 10.

Meanwhile, I hope this helps you keep this one on the shelf as well.

Do you just copy stupid articles and post them ALL DAY?!

At least put them in quotes!

Yeah, Asy noone said you even had to read the topic if it annoys you so much

Apparently someone in the Bay Area has money to blow.

Passed a few billboards today reading "6 † 6 † 06 -- You Have Been Warned" (but with the daggers inverted).

I saw a TV show where, using the bible code, they managed to get Vanilla Ice's entire back catalogue.

And 616 being the number of the beast?

"Six/one six/the number of the beast" doesn't have the same ring to it

I agree with you. We were made in God's image and likeness. This life we have right now is a test. Whether you pass or not is up to you. If someone could imagine the pain and suffering he went through, it would be overwhelming to the extreme. If there is something you should watch out for, if anyone is considereing to accept Jesus Christ, is to watch out for New Age Christanity.

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Truthfire, New Age Christanity

This post has been edited by Elvenblader5: 25 May 2006 - 11:51 AM

Lol, that's weird...

This just weally seems like a time where people can use this 666 thing to make money.. especially the movie theaters with their new movie called 666 or AntiChrist.. or something like that.. but I saw a movie commercial on it

It all sort of sounds like the '2000 will destroy all computers' thing..

I should go sell some Christian literature. With people all stirred up about the end of the world, I could get some good money. Heh heh, erm, I'm not joking

Anyway, it sounds a bit overblown, especially since I don't believe Revelations. I mean, the earth is always having something odd happening, after all. Plus the only reason the date 6/6/06 exists is because we developed this calendar. So I doubt anything will happen as far as nature, but I can see a group of people doing something; so I guess the police need to be out and about, which they usually are anyway.

Okay then I have some more informatioin to tell you...

Where do other denominations stand on Global ID: 666?

This one person ask about this,

Let’s take a look at the Christian Episcopal Church of Canada, it is the traditional Anglican Church in Canada, the Diocese of Richmond. They had this in their bulletin:

Microchip Implants: Many of you will have read the front page of the Vancouver Sun this Saturday. This has been prophesied for many years now, and a close reading of the book of Revelation and other Scriptural references will make clear what is happening. The move toward globalization and the use of microchips to replace cash and to order society are signs that the time of the coming of the antichrist and the tribulation is nearing, but so is the Second Coming of our blessed Lord. It is the duty of your Clergy to warn you; so take the warning, and be vigilant.
Oh, that is great, right Jack?


Here what Jack Van Impe said...


JVI: I am thrilled that an Episcopal Clergyman in Canada has taken the stand according to what the Bible has to say about the coming of antichrist, the tribulation hour, and the number 666. God bless you Brother.