[Bodom]

Right, ive had friends here agree with me on this stuff, and im the only one who'll post it , ok i made a post similar in that topic with dokimos flaming successful clans, so im making a new topic to vent the problems tons of people are having, i say this but i know many mods of seed will say "noones having these problems" and "deleted" but i have back ups ?

Firstly on dokimos views of clans:

Ok I, as well as members in these forums who are members of other clans, dont like the points dokimwhatever made against succesful clans as they werent valid as theyre backed up with reasons such as, "they're gay clubs", and huge posts that could've been said in a simple sentence to explain how he doesnt want to fail even worse.

And I dont like how some level 80 whos clearly leading a failure, has the right to try and flame clans because they have requirements to join them.. is it because theyre suceeding or something?

Its like "dont join another clan, help make this one better!" You ran off and merged with another forum because you can barely keep yours together and seems like you didnt tell any members either.

Secondly, this whole dramatised war bull:

You act like the Rebels from Greens clan did a while back to SeeD, they went around thinking they'll change something because they said it online, thinking because they'll PK nonexistant PK trips that they'll actually shut SeeD Down?

You think UDA or whoever the other bunch of noobs are can actually damage you? Every single hour theres another ****ing post on how you're all being threatened, or not going to war, or are going to war, or not going to war again, **** sake make your mind up, looking at everyone of your members posts you all PK at the giants anyway, or in full addy armour? 30k BIG ****ING LOSS, so what if you die? Oh no you respawn

Ok thirdly, this false hope is getting old with alot of people

All your posts of how great the UFF is getting and how proud etc you are of it, all ive been seeing are im quitting posts ;\.

And I seriously i am NOT the only one thinking this, im constantly in a conversation on msn with someone whos randomly talked to me to complain at how stupid and pathetic this all is, just seems im the only one whos willing to say it and if you cant hack that then get over it and change my opinion, do something about it, dont make another 10 page essay on how clans are gay or if your going to fight, actually make an effort and fix your damn clan.


Try not to lock it, maybe tone it down, but i really want people to stop complaining about this dramatised bs that shouldnt be happening.

[Nate]

Yup im with ech 100% on this if this is all that this merge brings in my opinion it was a mistake.

[Bodom]

ffs my longest post ftw

[Styledragon1]

Right, ive had friends here agree with me on this stuff, and im the only one who'll post it , ok i made a post similar in that topic with dokimos flaming successful clans, so im making a new topic to vent the problems tons of people are having, i say this but i know many mods of seed will say "noones having these problems" and "deleted" but i have back ups ?

Firstly on dokimos views of clans:

Ok I, as well as members in these forums who are members of other clans, dont like the points dokimwhatever made against succesful clans as they werent valid as theyre backed up with reasons such as, "they're gay clubs", and huge posts that could've been said in a simple sentence to explain how he doesnt want to fail even worse.

And I dont like how some level 80 whos clearly leading a failure, has the right to try and flame clans because they have requirements to join them.. is it because theyre suceeding or something?

Its like "dont join another clan, help make this one better!" You ran off and merged with another forum because you can barely keep yours together and seems like you didnt tell any members either.

Secondly, this whole dramatised war bull:

You act like the Rebels from Greens clan did a while back to SeeD, they went around thinking they'll change something because they said it online, thinking because they'll PK nonexistant PK trips that they'll actually shut SeeD Down?

You think UDA or whoever the other bunch of noobs are can actually damage you? Every single hour theres another ****ing post on how you're all being threatened, or not going to war, or are going to war, or not going to war again, **** sake make your mind up, looking at everyone of your members posts you all PK at the giants anyway, or in full addy armour? 30k BIG ****ING LOSS, so what if you die? Oh no you respawn

Ok thirdly, this false hope is getting old with alot of people

All your posts of how great the UFF is getting and how proud etc you are of it, all ive been seeing are im quitting posts ;\.

And I seriously i am NOT the only one thinking this, im constantly in a conversation on msn with someone whos randomly talked to me to complain at how stupid and pathetic this all is, just seems im the only one whos willing to say it and if you cant hack that then get over it and change my opinion, do something about it, dont make another 10 page essay on how clans are gay or if your going to fight, actually make an effort and fix your damn clan.


Try not to lock it, maybe tone it down, but i really want people to stop complaining about this dramatised bs that shouldnt be happening.

one word Owned..and dam you Ech..Making me read such a long post...and he is afraid to try and take down these "gay clubs" and repeatedly calls them this and you expect us members of these clans not to be offended?Of COURSE we ARE gonna be offended by being called GAY I dont know someone who wont be OFfended!Your lucky i dont give some of my clan mates the Link to this page so they can do it TOO Stop calling CLANS with requirements GAY or your gonna have a war on your hands that you cannot stop and i'll sure as hell join in the killing if you call clans with requirements GAY one more TIME

[Neraphym]

Let's keep it clean, gentlemen. This is warning number 1; should it get out of hand, this topic will be DA'd and such. I don't mind you guys arguing your views, but let us attack the views themselves, not those who have them, even if they are doing it to you. Thank you ok bye bye.

[dokimos0rg]

I am sorry that you don't understand what we are about as United Freedom Fighters, Dave. You are entitled to your opinion.

United Freedom Fighters is different from what you might expect regarding clanning.

Not everyone thinks the "elite" clan that thinks itself so successful is really sooooooo cool.

Yes, I am outspoken on this topic and I'm not ashamed about it.

* * *

O.K., so you're not impressed with us then. You don't have to be.

I'm not making an attack on any particular so-called elite clan, so there is no need to feel insulted.

The term "gay" here is not referring to homosexual. It is the old term where it is referring to the happy esoteric crowd. I have used the term because a "cool" club is not exclusive.

* * *

Please allow UFFs to be able to talk this through and work it out.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 06 December 2005 - 12:29 AM

[©allum]

The term "gay" here is not referring to homosexual.  It is the old term where it is referring to the happy esoteric crowd.  I have used the term because a "cool" club is not exclusive.

Since when has calling someone happy been an insult?

[Raktor]

Omg, ur in a happi club i wunna join!!111

No, seriously, I have to agree with Dave here. I'm one of the ones who's been whinging on MSN. Maybe you should've asked your clan what they wanted to do, instead of merging them, now you only have like, four level 60 members.

[Bodom]

So you're calling requirement clans happy..?

[Jake]

:with dave:
also apparently we never understand

[dokimos0rg]

No, I use the term "gay" not to mean happy as such, but to emphasize that restive clans are exclusive clubs that think it is cool and better than others for just for being exclusive.

The whole reputation of these so-called "elite" clans is not popular with many.

If these all so lofty clans who think so high of themselves to call others NOOBS, they can be strong enough to deal with being called GAY in return.

Oh, I'm sorry does that upset some of the high-level only clan members? Poor babies. Let them learn to show respect if they want it for themselves.

[Bodom]

No, I use the term "gay" not to mean happy as such, but to emphasize that restive clans are exclusive clubs that think it is cool and better than others for just for being exclusive.

The whole reputation of these so-called "elite" clans is not popular with many.

If these all so lofty clans who think so high of themselves to call others NOOBS, they can be strong enough to deal with being called GAY in return. 

Oh, I'm sorry does that upset some of the high-level only clan members?  Poor babies.  Let them learn to show respect if they want it for themselves.

Again you prove your ignorance to good clans, noone in a clan thinks they are part of an exclusive club, you clearly never visit boards such as tip.it (crap anyway) or rsc. People are proud to get in and be a part of a clan and clans do not think they are better than other clans because of their requirements... wtf?

Clans think they are better than others when they constantly defeat and wipe out another clan in a war/pk run in, no clan says we're better for the reasons you give.

The word noob has lost all meaning, if you take offense to that word then somethings up now, i couldnt give a damn if you called clans gay, but you could atleast give us a good reason for it and not "I DONT MEET THE REQUIREM3NTS!!11"

Also, these "Elite" clans as you want to call them, i assume you mean the "gay" ones who think they're good because they "have requirements" you dont meet, are very popular nowadays, runescape board clans get no where, the whole generation of skill clans is down to around 5 clans, the only style of clan genre now is pk and war clans, all of which if you look, have requirements. Lets name some of them:

DI
RSD
DS
Corruption
Awaken
Silent Assassins
The
Scum
BK
Gladz

^ All of these clans have requirements yet are some of the most talked about clans in the rs world and the most popular, yet you think noone likes them for requirements lol?

I dont have to give respect to a failing leader anyway and i dont care what he thinks of me either

[Styledragon1]

No, I use the term "gay" not to mean happy as such, but to emphasize that restive clans are exclusive clubs that think it is cool and better than others for just for being exclusive.

The whole reputation of these so-called "elite" clans is not popular with many.

If these all so lofty clans who think so high of themselves to call others NOOBS, they can be strong enough to deal with being called GAY in return. 

Oh, I'm sorry does that upset some of the high-level only clan members?  Poor babies.  Let them learn to show respect if they want it for themselves.

Again you prove your ignorance to good clans, noone in a clan thinks they are part of an exclusive club, you clearly never visit boards such as tip.it (crap anyway) or rsc. People are proud to get in and be a part of a clan and clans do not think they are better than other clans because of their requirements... wtf?

Clans think they are better than others when they constantly defeat and wipe out another clan in a war/pk run in, no clan says we're better for the reasons you give.

The word noob has lost all meaning, if you take offense to that word then somethings up now, i couldnt give a damn if you called clans gay, but you could atleast give us a good reason for it and not "I DONT MEET THE REQUIREM3NTS!!11"

Also, these "Elite" clans as you want to call them, i assume you mean the "gay" ones who think they're good because they "have requirements" you dont meet, are very popular nowadays, runescape board clans get no where, the whole generation of skill clans is down to around 5 clans, the only style of clan genre now is pk and war clans, all of which if you look, have requirements. Lets name some of them:

DI
RSD
DS
Corruption
Awaken
Silent Assassins
The
Scum
BK
Gladz

^ All of these clans have requirements yet are some of the most talked about clans in the rs world and the most popular, yet you think noone likes them for requirements lol?

I dont have to give respect to a failing leader anyway and i dont care what he thinks of me either

one word..ownage and most of those clans need at lest 105 combat..We prefer to actually to be able to help our own ppl..

[dokimos0rg]

Do you not know that other clans do flame clans if they aren't as "elite" as them? Get real!

They go saying, "Oh you don't want to stay in that noob clan, join us!"? or "They're just a clan of low-levels, noobs.". What about us hearing, "They are a good training clan." Like as if we are training to become a "real" clan later or something?

Some clans are noobish such as a so-called clan that is an anti-clan vs. a clan. It isn't even a real clan in my esteem.

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Dave I did not talk about you at all. I never flamed you.

It is a personal flame you made on me, Dave, and an insulting one. Bad form.
I am speaking specifically hereon clanning values.

I am not a failing leader. I am still leading the United Freedom Fighters Movement as I have been.

I have been successful. In fact, too successful. I couldn't keep the infrastructure in the old UFF way because applications were too too many to handle.

If I only handled some applications and left out others, that would make UFF one of the exclusive gay clubs which we were not to be. The merge with SeeD solved that.

United Freedom Fighters is not a failure just because we moved to a new forum to join with another clan with the same freedom.

* * *

As leadership in UFF is "by example" and not by lordship or title, it doesn't matter to me if I am not called "clanleader".

United Freedom Fighters may die in battle but we are not "OWNED" by anyone. We return to haunt our killers.

Dave, if you think this is all pointless, then let you and others stop personal flaming please.

I think this can be discussed more respectfully between us SeeD members, don't you?

* * *

I am sorry if some of you do not like that UFFs doesn't like the so-called elite model of clanning. Face it, those other clans never would say we were up to snuff with them even when we qualified cause they'll raise the bar again anyway. Why must we think highly of their clans just because someone else is so boastful? Sorry if that bursts anyone's ego.

Might does not make someone right. We prefer our clan values and are willing to defend them and ourselves. We are United Freedom Fighters and this is our movement. We cast out overlords and do not restrict by levels. Down with autocracy!

We already have the contempt of the "elite" clans, they will pk us whether we are united or divided, therefore, we have nothing to lose from them anyway. We are better off united as freedom fighters than to play their game by following stuffy attitudes.

Again, I have no problem with higher level characters teaming together. But clanning with restricted levels is another matter. Not everyone thinks its cool.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 06 December 2005 - 06:31 PM

[stinger2u]

LEave off dokimos! He has enough troubles already, he has his view u have yours.