[philmygroin]

to you what sashstar i like ya, your all for us getting together and working this stuff out. im glad to see you taking an active interest in clan politics.

[dokimos0rg]

Philmygroin,

This latest post to flatter a UFF is perceived as another attempt by you to act charming to recruit from us even more.

You are afraid of a war with SeeD so you don't provoke military action but you yet keep up the subtle attacks against UFF.

Your Undead Anzacs are still posting in our forum making trouble. SeeD is aware of this. UNDEAD ANZACS HAS MADE NO CONCESSIONS OF PEACE. It is all Philmygroin's own talk with no actions on UDA to support.

The only reason the UDA exists is to revenge against UFF. This has not changed. The forum for SeeD is not for you to recruit for your own clan.

* * *

Don't pretend to be innocent about this Phil, you are double-crossing everyone helping Kilobite0 maintain his revenge.

Amends to UDA have not been made. You UDAs flatter UFFs to gain them to join you while you bash us at the same time by others. This is offensive.

By now all should realize that you are not making peace with UFF nor SeeD.

I am not going to stand in the way of SeeD taking action.

SeeD going after UDA would hardly be considered a war as your motives are too noobish, therefore, I would refer to this as a police action of sorts on the behalf of SeeD due the abuses of Undead Anzacs in the SeeD Forum.

* * *

Therefore, I say to you and all those who are Undead Anzacs or are anti-SeeD or anti-UFF. Stay out of the SeeD Forum or action will be taken.

Philmygroin, you should stop posting in the SeeD Forum now. Your charm is deceitful. You are still seeking to recruit from us.

Anyone who is loyal to UFF and to SeeD will recognized the actions of UDA and reject them.

* * *

It is my recommendation to UDA to back out of their revenge and enemy stance against UFF/SeeD.

If not, they will have to suffer the consequences of their own actions.

I am all for talking peace, but this has only been merely that on the part of UDA while they still make trouble in the SeeD Forum.

Let us see true peace from UDA not double-talk about it

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 30 November 2005 - 03:03 PM

[Goto]

Damage to the forums is minimal enough to be nonexistent. We've got a strong mod team capable of handling anything that is thrown at it, and people joining up just to recruit for another clan isn't tolerated.

While I haven't known phil for as long as some of the rest of you, I trust his motives. He's not the first to be stuck in a situation where going either way means hurting friends, and I don't think accusing him of charming UFF members when he tries to be civil is making it any easier for him. One member can never speak for a clan. That's as true when phil comes here as it is when this 'kilobite' tries to band together followers. They won't share his opinion of SeeD or UFF, because they don't carry the grudge that he does. Any clan based on the destruction of another is doomed to an early death, unfortunately.

I only hope that the leader of the Undead Anzacs will realise this fact, and reorientate his clan. Nobody wants it to fail, not even those he has tried to declare war on. And if he is not willing to see reason before collapse becomes inevitable, I at least hope his clanmembers are able to.

SeeD is a peaceful clan, we have no wish for enemies. And while I don't know the specifics of what prompted the formation of the Anzacs, I doubt it's still valid now. Is a half-forgotten argument in the past worth the slow deterioration of your clan from within in the present?

[dokimos0rg]

I agree that a "a half-forgotten argument" is not worth keeping a stance over. Nonetheless, it has been maintained by Undead Anzacs.

They are not about uniting with old friends. If you read their website, they are about "revenge" which they decidedly will not forget.

Let them drop their stance against UFF and all will be well. If they wont drop their stance, they should not be disruptive here.

* * *

I am not concerned about the motives of Philmygroin as I am about the actions and lack of action he has taken.

I have sought to resolve problems and make peace while UDA resorts to the tactics and propaganda likenable unto terrorists, noobish ones, but resemble the same underhanded tactics.

Given enough time and I believe that you may find Philmygroin earning your mistrust as well. He has proven himself to be a friend betrayer. Let him prove loyalty by showing himself truly worthy. Let him build us up rather than side to tear us down.

* * *

Should members of Anti-SeeD clans allowed to continue to post in SeeD Forum?

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 30 November 2005 - 04:56 PM

[top-gun221]

Dokimos,
i volunteer to be a negotiator if you need any. just tell me what to say and i will go over to where ever they are and try to talk it out. if i get killed, so be it, no hard feelings against them. i too, would like to resolve the problem.

Top-gun221
Loyal UFF\seed clan Member

[dokimos0rg]

Dokimos,
i volunteer to be a negotiator if you need any.  just tell me what to say and i will go over to where ever they are and try to talk it out. if i get killed, so be it, no hard feelings against them. i too, would like to resolve the problem.

Top-gun221
Loyal UFF\seed clan Member

Top-gun221,

Thank you but the problem is that it has been too much talk. We need to see action from Undead Anzacs.

If they really want to keep this UDA Clan and make peace with UFF/SeeD they will need to make a new homepage for their clan as Kilobite0 will not make changes to their present one.

If UDA doesn't make changes, then they are consenting to Kilobite0's petty revenge aganist UFF/SeeD.

UDA new leadership needs full control of their forum instead of Kilobite0. They need to reject Kilobite0's role as clanleader and his actions of rebellion and to apologize for their clans actions against UFF.

Such a new website should reflect peace and good will to UFF/SeeD Clan and publicly renounce the statement old clan website.

My post today which speaks more fully on this topic...
http://www.cspacezon...showtopic=30858

An additional post of mine in SeeD Forum, carried over from the old UFF Forum is about "The Precious of Overlording Clanleaders", which depicts the attitudes of such like Kilobite0...

http://www.cspacezon...showtopic=30761

* * *

UDA does not need just a new clan general, they need a new visionary clanleader. Apparently a new No.2 will not be able to establish a new policy for UDA.

I recommend for all parties involved that we all speak with one voice for the ousting of the rebel overlord Kilobite0 from UDA leadership as he has betrayed all of us, UFF/SeeDs, DORs and UDAs alike.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 02 December 2005 - 07:26 PM

[philmygroin]

if i was still U.D general and leader i'd take exception to what you say to me, but since i stepped down to let halo lead and bring us the glory uff once had, i have little politican power apart from the respect i got from my fellow clansmen. i dont force people to do things like merging dokimos

[rebel876]

y the ****in hell r we still having peace talks?!? lets just end this now! this selfish fightin is takin its toll, end the war now, no point in fighting a war, it will all have the same result, lots of unhappy ppl .

ps. dokimos my frend that was killed is in ur clan. lol

[dokimos0rg]

Rebel876 and Philmygroin, I agree... War is pointless, therefore we do not declare war against UDA. UDA declared the war of revenge against UFF and has not removed its declaration.

Howbeit, UFF is now compelled to recognize that peace negotiators in UDA have not created reform within UDA due to its own divided element.

We will move in police action together with DOR against, not all UDA members, but the rebel overlords of UDA and those who will support them.

DOR is going against UDA and it is not right for UFF to not support DOR in its rightful stance against UDA's own declared stance against our shared UFF Movement with DOR.

Whereas UFF/SeeD shares in the UFF Movement with DOR Clan, United Freedom Fighters is siding with Demons of Runescape Clan in support of its police action against the anti-clan of Undead Anzacs.

The anti-clan group of Undead Anzacs has been given its options.

UDA may...

1. Change the UDA website to a pro-UFF/SeeD stance.

2. Renounce Kilobite0's maintained declaration against UFF and denounce the present UDA website in favor of a new UDA homepage with a pro-UFF/SeeD stance.

3. Dissolve entirely as an anti-clan.

Peace will be accepted upon these acceptable terms.

Since none of the above are being done I will no longer stand in the way of UFF/SeeD to perform a Runscape battle police action against UDA. UFFs are encouraged to side with DOR against UDA.

* * *

I exhort that all UDAs stay out of battle against UFF as we battle those in UDA who truly do not seek peace with UFF and UDA.

I recommend UDA members to renounce their association with UDA that is founded and grounded by Kilobite0 against UFF.

May all who are loyal to UFF and desire peace between our group of friends as UFFs denounce and resist the actions of Kilobite0 and those who may choose loyalty to him.

I recommend that UDAs take membership in UFF/SeeD and side with us. Taking membership in DOR is also acceptable.

UFF desires peace with UDA. Howbeit, UDA has been unchanged in its stance against UFF. May those UDAs who desire peace recognize that UDA is unchanging and abandon its divisive actions and hateful heritage.

* * *

Our desired goal is for UDAs to repent and join together in unity with and as United Freedom Fighters in the movement. We desire peace with UDA.

As negotiations have not achieved results in true reform in UDA new methods are now being initiated to seek for reuniting friendships by acting against those who seek to break our friendships.

I am not pleased to be fighting against UDAs as they had once been active brothers and sisters in UFF, therefore, let them immediately drop the war by changing their website and stop supporting Kilobite0's anti-clan of a private war against UFF.

May UDAs see reason and cast out the overlords who stand in opposition to the UFF Movement.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 05 December 2005 - 03:18 AM

[philmygroin]

hahaha and dokimos you call me a recuiter, you ask that we denouce kilobite, that wont happen, we wont dissolve like sand before the tide, we will change our site but it wont be pro-uff/seed we will not side with but we wont stand against you. i cant believe you hypocritice you call me names cause people rather join with us then you and call me a recuiter and here you telling any and all uda who will listen to you to leave us and join you, ahahahahaah this one will keep me laughing for weeks. we wont merge with seed/uff or dor, we will hold on to our idenity not take on someone elses.

[rebel876]

ok, look dokimos the things that u gave us to choose is not for u to deside. its r clan not urs. we want the war to end. we will not disband, we will not merge with ne other clans, we will not kick r leader out of r clan. this war is as dead as ever yet it is still being fought. dont try to revive it or it will just end up killing u. just end this war here and now. u just basicly gota say "peace uda?" of "truce?". its as easy as that. we want the war to end. dont revive it, or SeeD, dor, wats left of uff, and uda will come crashing down. this war will b the end of us. we did not lose because no offical battles have occured! in my eyes this war is over, but in reality the war is still raging. if u wana deside wether who really did win the war how about a REAL battle. that will deside who won, but all i want now is frikon peace! keep screwin with it, it will screw with u.

[stinger2u]

Dokimos0rg,

i have made a peace treaty for u and halo to sign. This is a last attempt to gain peace on both sides of the trench.

It shall be on no mans land. DOR's forum

[dokimos0rg]

As I said before, I will say again, change the UDA website and show your sincerity. Either that or renounce it and create a new site.

I am being more than reasonable about this. I have been quite patient about it and more than tolerant. Enough is enough. Call off the war of revenge. That is for UDA to do, not me.

If you do not do that and continue to post here, you will continue to gain rejection of UDA.

Again, don't ask me for peace, make it yourselves!

Halo0127 is not clanleader of UDA to be able to make the change for peace. No change on the UDA website has been done.

So long as Kilobite0 is appointed by UDAs to be in charge of you all, you either have to go to him to make the change or to renounce him.

Again, change the UDA website, and you will have made the first true moves toward peace.

So long as UDA supports Kilobite0 as leader to declare his stance against UFF there can be no peace between us, because you won't make peace.

Those who have joined UDA have sided with an overlord.

I ask UDA to make peace and end this nonsence. You are all getting so absurd about this when what you need to do is so simple.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 06 December 2005 - 12:55 AM

[rebel876]

dokimos, u r the last 1 that can end this war. if u keep being stuck up on the website this war will still rage on. CHOOSE NOW DOKIMOS! peace or utter anilation on both sides of the battle field.

[dokimos0rg]

Rebel876,

Who do you think you are to speak for UDA? You are a bogus noob and least esteemed among all of us.

Your ultimatum is a joke.

As I said, I cannot end a war that I did not start, do not maintain and have not been the one to refuse to end.

UDA is the clan that is into petty-revenge against UFF by the few noobs who run it or whoever is foolish enough to believe such noobs and act twice as much the one.

This post has been edited by dokimos0rg: 06 December 2005 - 03:53 AM