[Lprince]

this sorta ties in with my understanding/meaning of life.....will take a while though, ill get writing now!

[Ferret Overlord]

[Xemem]

I recall reading something in the bible once...it said something along the lines of "A day in the eyes of god is 1000+ years in the eyes of man....I supose given an eternity your perspective on time in heaven or **** or where ever you go must change. All that can be said for sure is that we die, that life as we know it has an end...that at some point existance on this plain in our form comes to a hult. what happens after that is a matter of personal opinion, or what ever religion you adhere to. My comment about the movie "what dreams may come". was sort of geared toward pointing that out. I think alot of the after life depends on how we percieve it. perhaps our meer believing in a way that it could work is enough. And maybe we dont need to, and are not ment to find out until it happens.

[Ferret Overlord]

Yeah, finding out things ruins the fun...
Although sometimes it hurts to think about it. Mostly it hurts thinking about things you don't know but have an answer. Like when did space begin?
AUGGH!

[Danny Wells]

And that leads to another question; was there anything before space was created? And what did we do before we were born?

[Mobster101]

im rc(roman catholic) and in a page in the bible some where it says heaven on earth and rc is meant to beleive we go to heaven(yeah right) that would mean you come back to earth and start the annoying proces again!      

Marek what that is, is when the world ends gods kingdom will be here, on earth. Not that we will reencarnate here but heaven wil preside on earth.
I belive in the bible. gods written word to man. It says that when we die if were a christian we go to heaven and if were not we go to hell. I don't need anything else to tell me what happens. Sure we will al die, but are disitions on earth answer this debates question. So if you want the true answer read the bible it answers all the question of this debate.

[Traver]

im rc(roman catholic) and in a page in the bible some where it says heaven on earth and rc is meant to beleive we go to heaven(yeah right) that would mean you come back to earth and start the annoying proces again!      

Marek what that is, is when the world ends gods kingdom will be here, on earth. Not that we will reencarnate here but heaven wil preside on earth.
I belive in the bible. gods written word to man. It says that when we die if were a christian we go to heaven and if were not we go to hell. I don't need anything else to tell me what happens. Sure we will al die, but are disitions on earth answer this debates question. So if you want the true answer read the bible it answers all the question of this debate.

So you believe it just because it says so in a book? Whatever floats your boat.

This post has been edited by Traver: 17 March 2005 - 06:12 PM

[Spikeout]

every once in a while this topic comes into my head i tend not to think about it. it wud b sad if we just went into eternal darkness

it wud b better if we went to heaven

i just say to myself just enjoy your life while you have one there is no better way to die than dying happy

[Mobster101]

no traver, i don't belive in what "a book" says. I belive in the bible. big difference

[©allum]

im rc(roman catholic) and in a page in the bible some where it says heaven on earth and rc is meant to beleive we go to heaven(yeah right) that would mean you come back to earth and start the annoying proces again!      

Marek what that is, is when the world ends gods kingdom will be here, on earth. Not that we will reencarnate here but heaven wil preside on earth.
I belive in the bible. gods written word to man. It says that when we die if were a christian we go to heaven and if were not we go to hell. I don't need anything else to tell me what happens. Sure we will al die, but are disitions on earth answer this debates question. So if you want the true answer read the bible it answers all the question of this debate.

You believe that when you die, you will go to heaven beacause you are Christian, and I will go to hell because I'm not Christian?

I'm pretty sure there's at least 2 religions that say if you don't believe in that then you will go to hell, so people are going to hell whether they like it or not

And what's the difference between the bible and any other book? Is the Koran (sp) just a book? Is the torah just a book?

[Darkness]

im rc(roman catholic) and in a page in the bible some where it says heaven on earth and rc is meant to beleive we go to heaven(yeah right) that would mean you come back to earth and start the annoying proces again!      

Marek what that is, is when the world ends gods kingdom will be here, on earth. Not that we will reencarnate here but heaven wil preside on earth.
I belive in the bible. gods written word to man. It says that when we die if were a christian we go to heaven and if were not we go to hell. I don't need anything else to tell me what happens. Sure we will al die, but are disitions on earth answer this debates question. So if you want the true answer read the bible it answers all the question of this debate.

No where in the bible does it say that. Quite the contrary. It says that when we die, we will all go to the spirit world. When the world ends (as some like to call it, but I refer to it as the second coming when Jesus will walk the world again) all those who are dead will be brought back to earth. All people will live to the age of a tree (dunno how long that it, it just says that). After the millenium, people will be sent to the Final Judgement. There, depending on how good a person they were on earth, they will be sent to three seperate kingdoms. The Telestial Kingdom (the lowest), the Terrestrial Kingdom, and the Celestial Kingdom (being the highest). The people who are in the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom, the people who lived a whole life doing good, and making a family and raising them well, will have the ability to be a god. They will have the power to create worlds, and so on. Ermm, don't want to make a big religious discussion, so I'll stop there.

[Traver]

no traver, i don't belive in what "a book" says. I belive in the bible. big difference

And that difference is? I have seen the Bible on numerous occasions, I have even read some of it, and much to my amazement, it looked JUST like a book.

This post has been edited by Traver: 23 March 2005 - 08:06 PM

[Pureblade]

I really shouldn't jump in this...but I cant help it.

Im not trying to diss the Christian religion, I am actually a Christian myself. But I have to look at this from all angles. The bible is compiled of books written by many different authors over the years. Christians always claim that the bible tells the word of god...but the other books, like Leftyy said, also claim the exact same thing. And most of the time, the books of different religions are totally different from one another. What I think is that as long as you believe there is a god, and try to do good, then you will move on to whatever is next. If you do sin most of your life, then...well, I'm not sure what will happen in that case. But that brings up another question...how can you measure the amount of good and amount of evil in a person? I believe that god created the universe, and that he started the chain reaction that created other planets and galaxies. And about the question of 'Well why does god let people die every day?' God is wise...he/she/it knows what it's doing. Without good, there cannot be evil, and without evil, there cannot be good. If no one died then how could you feel sadness? And without sadness, you would never feel the lifting of your heart and spirit, and feel hope. Without anger, you would never feel regret, and would never have to say you were sorry. If one side, good or evil, tips the scale, then the universe will end.

I believe alot more...but Im just running through some of the main points...

[Mobster101]

im rc(roman catholic) and in a page in the bible some where it says heaven on earth and rc is meant to beleive we go to heaven(yeah right) that would mean you come back to earth and start the annoying proces again!      

Marek what that is, is when the world ends gods kingdom will be here, on earth. Not that we will reencarnate here but heaven wil preside on earth.
I belive in the bible. gods written word to man. It says that when we die if were a christian we go to heaven and if were not we go to hell. I don't need anything else to tell me what happens. Sure we will al die, but are disitions on earth answer this debates question. So if you want the true answer read the bible it answers all the question of this debate.

No where in the bible does it say that. Quite the contrary. It says that when we die, we will all go to the spirit world. When the world ends (as some like to call it, but I refer to it as the second coming when Jesus will walk the world again) all those who are dead will be brought back to earth. All people will live to the age of a tree (dunno how long that it, it just says that). After the millenium, people will be sent to the Final Judgement. There, depending on how good a person they were on earth, they will be sent to three seperate kingdoms. The Telestial Kingdom (the lowest), the Terrestrial Kingdom, and the Celestial Kingdom (being the highest). The people who are in the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom, the people who lived a whole life doing good, and making a family and raising them well, will have the ability to be a god. They will have the power to create worlds, and so on. Ermm, don't want to make a big religious discussion, so I'll stop there.

no traver, i don't belive in what "a book" says. I belive in the bible. big difference

And that difference is? I have seen the Bible on numerous occasions, I have even read some of it, and much to my amazement, it looked JUST like a book.

I really shouldn't jump in this...but I cant help it.

Im not trying to diss the Christian religion, I am actually a Christian myself. But I have to look at this from all angles. The bible is compiled of books written by many different authors over the years. Christians always claim that the bible tells the word of god...but the other books, like Leftyy said, also claim the exact same thing. And most of the time, the books of different religions are totally different from one another. What I think is that as long as you believe there is a god, and try to do good, then you will move on to whatever is next. If you do sin most of your life, then...well, I'm not sure what will happen in that case. But that brings up another question...how can you measure the amount of good and amount of evil in a person? I believe that god created the universe, and that he started the chain reaction that created other planets and galaxies. And about the question of 'Well why does god let people die every day?' God is wise...he/she/it knows what it's doing. Without good, there cannot be evil, and without evil, there cannot be good. If no one died then how could you feel sadness? And without sadness, you would never feel the lifting of your heart and spirit, and feel hope. Without anger, you would never feel regret, and would never have to say you were sorry. If one side, good or evil, tips the scale, then the universe will end.

I believe alot more...but Im just running through some of the main points...

first i'll deal with darkness. darkeness read revalation it says right there that heaven will be here. and it NEVER says that there will be three kingdoms. you must read a bible from another religion.

now i'll deal with traver. traver, the bible isn't just a book, sure by todays standards it is technicly a book. but the difference is it is gods written word to man, we know that it written by mabe 40 popele but a scientist looked at it and said it was written by one man. god.

now dhamonw, i can say anything i want to you cause were friend . your in my web of doom hahahahah. to be a christian you HAVE to belive everhting in the bible. including that it was god inspired.

This post has been edited by TripleHLaggie: 28 March 2005 - 06:34 PM

[©allum]

Reincarnation wouldn't work.

They say you are put into a huge 'soul pool' where all the souls of everything ever lived are. What about aliens? How come people can't remember coming from different planets when they are 'born again'?

TripleH, I'm sorry to say this, but I think you are just being a bit of a religious whackjob. You are so narrow minded, stubborn and fanatical about your religion. It's just sad, very sad. People like you there was mindless killing in the middle east, also known as 'The Crusades'.