[Mobster101]

mmm traver did you just agree with me?????? you guys say there are definitive sightings and stuff, but all we have is black and white stuff. Today, we have so many more advances then back when the roswell crap happened. WE would have a difinitive sighting. and btw space isn't infinite it says in the bible god can hold the UNIVERSE (hint that it's not plural) in the palm of his hand. if it was infinite he would have nothing to hold. :tounge:

[Traver]

mmm traver did you just agree with me?????? you guys say there are definitive sightings and stuff, but all we have is black and white stuff. Today, we have so many more advances then back when the roswell crap happened. WE would have a difinitive sighting. and btw space isn't infinite it says in the bible god can hold the UNIVERSE (hint that it's not plural) in the palm of his hand. if it was infinite he would have nothing to hold. :tounge:

No, since you said that if there were aliens billions of light years away from us, we would know of them with our technology, to which I replied that we would not, since our technology hardly allows us to investigate the planets in our own solar system.

On another note, I feel this debate is pointless since we clearly have a different opinion on what space is. But maybe we could clarify this?

So, how do you define "space"?

This post has been edited by Traver: 29 March 2005 - 06:58 PM

[Pureblade]

and btw space isn't infinite it says in the bible god can hold the UNIVERSE (hint that it's not plural) in the palm of his hand. if it was infinite he would have nothing to hold. :tounge:

Mmm, ok, heres another question to debate on. If space is not infinite, and it says in the bible that god can hold it in the palm of his hand (if he really has hands ) then why have scientists proven that space is constantly expanding in an outward direction? And another thing that I wonder, just want to hear some feed back...if you reach the edge of where space has expanded to, what is beyond that? Scientists say that space is constantly expanding due to the big bang effect, and that the stars at the outer reaches of the universe moving along are what keeps it expanding...if so, then what is past that? Space is nothingness (even though thats not a real word) so what is there other than space?

Just an interesting question, thought I'd bring that up.

[Mobster101]

umm i belive sapce is one universe and it was made so large that we will never be able to travel there. btw dhamonw pm me and remind me of a question i wanted to ask you about this thread. and this doese have a reason to exist its an on going debate.

[serpharimon]

I never heard of space always expanding. I do know space isn't infinite, since we have telescopes that can see a little over half way to the end of space. I told you guys to get off the subject of religion, so please stop before I close this. It's getting annoying. Get back on topic while you're at it, too.

A debate is an organized discussion of opinions with facts. If you're too stubborn to accept the real facts, get out of the debate. You don't want to learn, so just leave and stop before you fall even more behind.

[Traver]

umm i belive sapce is one universe and it was made so large that we will never be able to travel there. btw dhamonw pm me and remind me of a question i wanted to ask you about this thread. and this doese have a reason to exist its an on going debate.

So if it is impossible for us to travel all that distance, wouldn't that mean we can't know if there are aliens far far away from us?

[Mobster101]

serph, why'd you say i was to stubborn to chaNGE MY VIEWS? i belive f you didn't belive in aliens you would be saying that to traver not me, so don't be a hypocrit. k?

[Pureblade]

Uh triple, again, he never said he was talking to you. He said 'you guys'...I never even heard him mention your name in there. So dont assume. And ok serph, we'll get off religion. But I think that the expanding space is part of the topic. If it keeps expanding, new worlds keep forming, over and over...not to mention the trillions already out there. And if the world is in a position near to earths distance from our sun, then lifeforms could form. Oh, I also read this somewhere...on a certain moon of a planet in our solar system, I think it was Titan...not sure tough...scientists took pictures of the 'sea' on that moon. They said that although it has dangerous chemicals in it, it could support life...and in some of the pictures, shadows were seen in the water.

[Jarik C-Bol]

Ok, the weird religions debate aside:

Other planets:
we know about quite a few planets around other stars, we detect them by mesureing the gravitational wobble in stars, caused by planets orbeting them, as well as detecting the temporary dimming of stars as there planets pass in front of them (if the dimming ocurs on a regular shedule, planet, not random space rocks between here and there)
http://planetquest.jpl.nasa.gov/ for more info.

the universe is expanding,
http://archive.ncsa..../ExpandUni.html
that takes to long for me to explain, its generaly acepted as how the nivese is atm.

The closest star to us is Proxima Centauri, it is 4.2 light years away (about 5,865,696,000,000 miles), with no known planets around it.

as far as we understand physics, it is imposible for anything besides light to travel at the speed of light.

so, if there are aliens, they have to have mannaged to exede light speed to make traveling around even remotely useful (4 years between stars? it's almost totaly dark out there, and psychologists now dont know if humans could stand the 6 month trip to mars, so the aliens would have to be insanely patient) so lets imagine we have some super patient aliens, who can keep sane traveling for years in near total darkness. there's some hard math involved in the next bit, but basicly, the chances of them taking off from there planet, and ending up at ours is slim to none. (by axident) so say they somhow picked up our radio and telivision transmitions (we've had them for about 60-70 years, so 70 lightyears away will be our max distance for the aliens to be away from us) so, in about 70 years, IF they can travel at light speed, they can get here.

but wait, what about the aliens society. granted, they must be advanced if they can travel at lightspeed, but guess what, right now, we have all the technology and skill required to go to mars, and there are a lot of people wo want to go to mars, but we don't. why? because of politics. so you have to figure, even if there are aliens, and they figure out we are over here in our little corner of the universe, they may spend a couple hundred years argueing with eachotehr over who's going to pay to come see us.

anyway, i figure that there's a decent chance that there are inteligent alien life forms somwhere out there. but its a slim to none chance that they are so far advanced beyond us that they will be stoping by soon.

alien autopsy video.
i could make a black and white video with totaly alien looking things bleeding, with a budet of about 100$ and 30 minutes prep work. i won't, because it'd be gross, and mean to animals. holywood somtimes forgets that the best special efect is the one thats not fake.

[Mobster101]

I agree ANY1 could make a movie like that. i mean what could be more real than well real? i beilive that roswell is a military base and weapons plant we know thats true because the b2 bomber came out of there. so maybe a top secret plane crashed, and they went and cleaned it up before any1 could see it, but the "media" and 'sociaity" said that was an alien. so roswell thought " if they want to think that thats fine with us" so we would be to preocupied to thing about it being an airbase. and btw serph believes in aliens he wouldn't call travernarrow mindede about his views so who else would he be talking about? i'm the only one here who doesen't share atleast one of his views.

This post has been edited by Mobster101: 07 April 2005 - 04:01 PM

[serpharimon]

I agree ANY1 could make a movie like that. i mean what could be more real than well real? i beilive that roswell is a military base and weapons plant we know thats true because the b2 bomber came out of there. so maybe a top secret plane crashed, and they went and cleaned it up before any1 could see it, but the "media" and 'sociaity" said that was an alien. so roswell thought " if they want to think that thats fine with us" so we would be to preocupied to thing about it being an airbase. and btw serph believes in aliens he wouldn't call travernarrow mindede about his views so who else would he be talking about? i'm the only one here who doesen't share atleast one of his views.

I'm sorry, but this made no sense. Roswell isn't a base. The B2 Bomber didn't come from Roswell. The government tried saying it was an air balloon crash, and didn't want the public to think it was an UFO crash. Everything you said in that paragraph is wrong.

[Pureblade]

Yeah they didn't even mention a 'top secret plane'. They said it was a small air balloon, yet the material found by witnesses was like no other they had ever seen before. I cant remember how they described it, but I believe it was mentioned earlier in this topic. Anyways, serpharimons right....almost everything in the paragraph wasn't correct.

[Mobster101]

ok would you rather them have said, "it was a secret plane, please take our ideas other waring nations."?

Yeah they didn't even mention a 'top secret plane'. They said it was a small air balloon, yet the material found by witnesses was like no other they had ever seen before. I cant remember how they described it, but I believe it was mentioned earlier in this topic. Anyways, serpharimons right....almost everything in the paragraph wasn't correct.
serpharimon Posted Today, 08:20 PM

no it wasn't. the b2 bomber came from roswell. they know that! that was released.

This post has been edited by Mobster101: 08 April 2005 - 03:34 AM

[©allum]

Roswell is the site of an alleged UFO crash. It doesn't have a base there.

[Mobster101]

hw can you guys just not see fact! god the b2 bomber came from there!