[Res]

The video games alone aren't all that's pushing the higher ups to pass this bill.

The parents play a huge role in it too.
Little Jimmy (age 13) wants to buy GTA. His mother is naive and thinks it's just a game, however, she doesn't know that Jim is very impressionable, and could possible act off of seeing the actions played out in the games. He could be a naive boy, and think that if it's in a game, he should be able to do it and the badguys will just respawn.

3 years pass of Little Jimmy playing nothing but violent games. He's been hardened to death and things like that. He's a cold hearted kid who has been hardened to the real world. And why?

Because his mother didn't have enough sense to forbid him from playing an M rated game. She thought he would be fine. "It's just a PS game!" No. It's corruption in a box.

[Cspace]

Personally I don't think a game is going to persuade someone to do something illegal unless that tendency already existed beforehand for the person. In this case, even a game is probably not quite as influential as movies, possibly TV, the internet, and peers.

I also think the rating system can do the job if handled properly. Parents should also be aware of the games their kids play.

[Res]

That's true, games don't contribute solely. Everything else adds to it. Any violence seen on the internet/TV/movies/wherever can also add. But games are where people can actually do those things, not watch someone else do it.

[Sproogle]

Well said, Cspace. Thats the point I was trying to drive through. It isn't just video games, but the seem to bear the brunt of a LOT of fire, though.

[Cspace]

Violence and crime aren't new concepts, hehe, if video games are so much at fault then the place must have been fairly peaceful before the 80s.

Of new things, the internet has much less regulation than video games right now and can be much worse in terms of the content available. When it comes down to it I think parents should be responsible for what their kids do, just making it harder to get mature games alone won't really improve much of anything.

[Xemem]

okay...I went on and one below when it was really a short point I wanted to make so i'll edit here, and do just that...

it is not the games them selves that are a probleme, as they provide a healthy outlet for bad feelings. the probleme is the parents level of involvment. they need to be able to know what is going on and to let the kids know if it is okay or not to do that in the reall world. and also they need to have the option of deciding what they want their youths expossed to before their time. so I support instituting this idea in all states...

basicaly that is a more clear cut summary of what I said below...but I am not about to delete all that stuuf I typed so the rest of it is there to read for any who care.


____________________________________________________________________this is just a belayed action on a reaction to a topic that started ages ago...when mortal combat first came out they were forced in some cases to change the color of the blood(it was the first game that showed what was considerd exccesive gore), to gray so it could be seen as sweat.

It is really about nullification. there was a time when showing a bedroom sceene of any type on tv was considered lude and inapropriate. I think the biggest worry on that subject is that there is to much of it being thrown in kids faces...that they shouldnt be expossed to it unless they make a choice to as a conscenting adult.

the average tv show would shock our great grandparents no doubt. point is...this stuff is suppossed to shock you and make you want to gag, when it doesnt any more, shows an unexeptable level of disregard for human life, and the laws that keep order in society. when your sences are dulled to it, you stop asking if it is moraly exeptable and start thinking about how you would do it if ever really wanted to.

there should be censorship where it is aprropriate. if any one gets upset over that then that just proves the point, that kids are starting to crave guts and gore to be entertained...thats deprave! and no one can actualy say that video games do not influence ones actions...there is a process...you think about something. then you either let the thought go or think more deeply on it. someone who has meditated long enough on any thing will be willing to do it. and the same gos for any one who is exposed to something long enough.

those kids who shot up their schools across the country...they had influences. music and games that infact endorced the concept. if the people they idolize and the activities they love tell them its okay all the time...more then people who know better like their parents tell them it is not...then there is an imbalance. parents must have say in what their children are expossed to. being involved keeps kids from making alot of wrong turns, while letting the latest title baby sit your kid only puts a concept in from of em...it is not explained to them as being bad and only exeptable in the non-real world of entertainment.

I am sure that game designers do not mean to miss direct and tell kids "hey...its kool if you go out and jack a car then go on a killing spree" they probably are just meaning to provide a healthy outlet for pent up agrestions to be released and that is okay. sorta like hitting a pillow or something, but I think this idea is a good one to institute, becuase it means parents will have to become more involved with their childs significant others such as xbox and game cube. and being more involved means they can say"okay, this charector wanting to help is alright, but the way he does it is not, and you shouldnt do it that way if you have a similar probleme"...do not give kids to much credit lol...alot of times they need to be told stuff like that.

This post has been edited by esron: 14 April 2005 - 11:34 PM

[Sproogle]

So, Esron, you are more or less saying:
Society is like a drug addict. The first time something big hits (the first high) is great. After that, though, stringer and stringer stuff is needed to keep shocking society into watching/playing it (getting that first high).

This post has been edited by Sproogle: 14 April 2005 - 11:47 PM

[Ruckus Fox]

Esron...You.....Sorta controdicted at a few points, and there are some points I'd disagree with...But I won't touch them.

However, Auron, not every city and state has to have an age limit on M rated games. I go to "Mr. Movies" and rent an M rated game. They ask for Identification? I flash my driver's license and they have no reason to distrust me. Although...I usually don't rent or buy games like GTA where you run around and kill people in the masses...I tried GTA2, which had more tactics...But...these new ones are just chaos...If you want chaos try Mercenaries, it's good.

---Ruckus the Rogue

[Sproogle]

Why is this not in the debate forum?

[Pureblade]

Well yeah, first I'll request a move to debate....

Then I would like to say that I think this is a very good idea. Minors shouldn't be allowed to buy just any video game without their parents approving of it. As long as the parents approve, then the game should be ok. For example:

A ten year old walks into the store with some money that his mom gave him to buy a game. She is next door in another shop, while he is picking out his game. He looks around and chooses the playboy game....now, without this ban, it is completely legal for the kid to buy the game. That is why I think it is a good idea for this ban to be in place. If parents dont know what their kids are playing, the kids could be negatively influenced to do things that...well....are inappropriate...and it teaches kids things that they really dont need to know until later on in their life. Thats why I think there should be a ban...its actually a really good idea.

*requests move to debate forum*

[Mobster101]

Everyone knows what is in GTA. If it sounds like a lot of fun to you, well, then I rest my case.

dude why would they make gta if it wasn't soposed to be fun?


And again dhamonw its all about parents, the parents shouldn't be next door in another shop while there ten year old son shops BY HIMSELF in the first place. You want a reason? ok how about child molesters,kidnappers and pretty much and two bit thug who can by a video game from ripping off a ten year old. Also, the people in EB warned my 45 year old dad when he bought me gtasa for my b'day. So a little kid couldn't by playboy, plus what parent isn't even going to look at the game there kid bought and what ten year old isn't gonna bug his mom over the game and show it to her 10,000 times?

[obiwan22]

Well yeah, first I'll request a move to debate....

Then I would like to say that I think this is a very good idea. Minors shouldn't be allowed to buy just any video game without their parents approving of it. As long as the parents approve, then the game should be ok. For example:

A ten year old walks into the store with some money that his mom gave him to buy a game. She is next door in another shop, while he is picking out his game. He looks around and chooses the playboy game....now, without this ban, it is completely legal for the kid to buy the game. That is why I think it is a good idea for this ban to be in place. If parents dont know what their kids are playing, the kids could be negatively influenced to do things that...well....are inappropriate...and it teaches kids things that they really dont need to know until later on in their life. Thats why I think there should be a ban...its actually a really good idea.

*requests move to debate forum*

That's untrue. At every video game store I've been at, if a kid, or any adult for that matter, attempts to buy a mature rated game, the guy at the register is required by law to read why the game is mature, and check for ID. Now that probably won't stop a determined teenager with a fake ID. It will stop any young child with a responsible parent. And I think most parents are responsible enough to not let their child play the playboy game.. I could see a parent not knowing what goes on in a GTA game, but I guarentee that 99% of parents have heard of playboy..

[Mobster101]

^^especialy males^^ hehehe

[Jake]

REALITY CHECK TIME
1.) if a kid can think that if i shot a guy on gta i can shoot ppl in rl too.. THAT kid shouldn't play video games

2.) there r too many parents who dont want to raise their kids & when their kid ends up bein f****d up they blame whatever their kid likes.

3.) parents CAN control what their kids play.

4.) my mom dosent care what i play (4 the most part) BUT she realizes that i am mentallu balanced i can tell reality from a video game and that i am not goin to kill the school.

5.) there is a such thing as too much games though... if your schedule is go to school w/ a gameboy. come home play cpu or consoles go to bed. and u havent had a tan since u were 5 (excluding vitalligo & albinos) then u need to put down the controller.

6.) video games have not made me violent. withe games i play i should be the nexp bin laden. but i almost never get in fights. (sometimes u have to stick up 4 yourself & pop someone in the face.)

7.) i can buy mature games ... when my mom is there.

8.) killers r made of ppl emotionally tortured (like parents that beat the hell out of u 4 nothin), and people who well... somethin just snaps.

9.) SHOW ME PROOF OF SANE BALANCED PEOPLE GOIN ON A GTA STYLE RAMPAGE!!!!!!!!

10.) ive argued to ppl about this... none of them have shown me proof.

11.)a 4...5...6 year old shouldn't play stuff like that.... it dosent take much to warp their minds... their just little kids.

12.) wax on wax off... sond the bord.... paint the fence... paint the house (no up down go side side left to right)

[©allum]

Instead of squeezing a stress ball, or calling the 'stress relief hotline' *cough*0800FONESX*cough* I play GTA. I know it isn't real, it's an escape from the real world for me, where I can be someone different and my reckless actions don't have consequences.