[Baseballl]

The President has absolutely no control over gas prices, use some real evidence for your debate. Bush has actually created more jobs than have been lost and he also doesn't have much of an influence over the economy during his own term. Most changes made don't affect the economy until after the President is out of office. Things don't change over night, neither do people who can't debate

... and please stop PMing me and saying I'm a hacker, scammer, and power abuser for warning you for constantly calling people idiots and insulting Bush. Please do email Cspace or PM him, whatever you plan on doing. When you tick off every person in this whole topic and I actually get PMs about you asking me to do something about it, I'm going to. Members of SeeD don't like to be called idiots for debating their own opinions because some ignorant child doesn't know anything about the President, can't even spell the word, knows nothing of the economy or current events, and thinks everything is Bush's fault. I'm sorry, but you need to grow up and do some research on how a country is run.

how did i do that huh? tell me. how did i offend anyone? no i did not. i saw you scam ppl on runescape bballmaster and bball...whatever the other part was. i saw it i was there and i didnt know it was u till u warned me and i saw the user name, nice try, and i didnt offend anyone, no one warned me, i think your just a power hungry super mod who thinks he can get away with scam. heh wait till i report you to cspace. you will most defintly become a clan eneime and baned, and i warn you. i can e-mail cspace if i cant contact him from here so you cant stop me from reporting YOU for warning for no good reson and the scamming. hehehe nice try it ppl like you that amuse my life. 

- You send me anymore of that and we will have problems. I'll be closing this topic if the debate can't continue in a more productive manner.

[SlainThrax-]

whoever said base is a scammer is completely off base...(no pun intended lol) base's account has been banned for months if not over a year. so i think what your saying is bull sh*t.

Edit: also kaezon the inbred comment was uncalled for. in my opinion that more than validates a verbal warning if not a formal forum warning.

[Res]

That's what a debate is.. Each side stating their opinions and views for the other to see to hopefully have them understand their opinions about the subject. NOT trying to force your personal views on everyone else. That's not debating, that's trying to take control.

The best way to get your views out there is to have good solid PROOF to back up what you're saying and why you have that opinion.

And calling people idiots for having different ideals than you is wrong. Everyone is different and is sure to have different views on a subject. And you're borderline flaming.

I, for one like Bush. So I'm an idiot? Fine. I'm an idiot, according to you. Doesn't make you right to call me one, however.

A few tips for this -debate- to continue peacefully.

1: Get facts to back up what you say.
2: Accept the fact that people have a difference of opinion.
3: No more flaming. If it continues, I request this topic immediately closed.
4: Chill.

[Hax the Cook]

Well said Kais

[Jake]

I'm a hacker

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But seriously... i wonder how much csp laughed when he saw that quote of frty's pm...

This post has been edited by Jake4d1: 20 October 2005 - 04:51 AM

[Nuu™™]

4: Chill.

The smartest comment I have read in this topic. -.-

Geez, who cares? I doubt Bush has barely made any difference at all on your life at all, all these oil issues are probably caused by the oil companies far more than Bush. Last time I looked, America was a democracy.

[Elvenblader]

Frty, if your going to hold a debate you have to be willing to accept other people's views on the matter, a person cant go around with a biased opinion and calling someone an idiot, hacker or scammer and pming another person harassing them saying that you know what their doing when their not and even bypassing a super moderator and threatening to have them banned and saying that they'll become an enemy of Seed. We're a community that respect each other and our different views. This is what you call diversity.

Calling someone an idiot because they have a different opinion is what I would call childish. If you want to hold a discussion about hating Bush you should really have an educated opinion on it and actually show evidence that supports your opinion. There is no way that Bush could be controlling oil. His family might own stock in oil that part is true, but there were laws that were passed saying that no single person can own oil. The only real people that are in control of oil are the companies, government and shareholders of that companies stock. No single man especially the president can control a natural resource such as that.

And as far as bush being unpopular, he knew the risks he was going to take when he ordered the American Military to deploy and invade Iraq. There were going to be unorganized attacks, aka terrorists who were going to oppose the change that was bound to come when the American Military took Saddam Hussein out of power. But this past year alone a lot of people have been going against the Presidents war on terrorism and other things. Here is some proof that the President's approval rating is going down. (click on the free video) Presidential Approval Rating As far as gas prices are, America has one of the lowest prices of gas per gallon, maybe even the lowest in the world.

But before you go calling someone an idiot or something rude, please stop and think about what your saying and ask yourself if this is what you really want to do. That's all I have to say for now.

[Kaezion]

this is excellent. i should put everyone on my ignore list but you, elvenblader5, and save myself a lot of time by reading only your posts, for it seems that you repeat nearly verbatim what other people say on the subject matter.

but what i fail to understand, is how you went from

And as far as bush being unpopular, he knew the risks he was going to take when he ordered the American Military to deploy and invade Iraq. There were going to be unorganized attacks, aka terrorists who were going to oppose the change that was bound to come when the American Military took Saddam Hussein out of power.

to

But this past year alone a lot of people have been going against the Presidents war on terrorism and other things. Here is some proof that the President's approval rating is going down.

how are Bush's dropping approval ratings counter to the fact that he knew the risks of invading Iraq? more importantly, what are you trying to say?

please, in the future, clarify your posts. though surely people of higher intelligence such as you would have no problem reading through such high level language, take into consideration that people like me, being of lower intelligence, do not possess the mental capacity to grasp the meaning behind such eloquence as yours.

[Elvenblader]

Basically what I was saying was that frty shouldnt have a biased opinion on things and think that a debate is about winning or losing. And as far as repeating what I was saying I was trying to have all bases covered. But frty calling people idiots because they dont support or agree on his claims or views is rude to me. And what I was also trying to say is that frty should have a more informed and educated opinion and show evidence to support his claims. One last thing about the bush losing popularity was trying to show that there is some evidence to support frty's claims but also showing him that he should use current news articles and things of that nature to support his opinion in a debate.

This post has been edited by Elvenblader5: 22 October 2005 - 05:49 AM

[Kaezion]

by entering a debate, don't you already have a biased opinion?

also, what's wrong with calling people idiots because they don't support your claim? if you claimed Hitler was a bad person and i said no, wouldn't i be called an idiot (or something worse)?

[Elvenblader]

Well its your opinion on whose, an idiot but lets just say I am trying to keep things civil and polite.

[Baseballl]

Thank you Elven, some can't quite grasp the idea of a productive debate where both opinions are explained without attacks on the other person.

[Traver]

by entering a debate, don't you already have a biased opinion?

also, what's wrong with calling people idiots because they don't support your claim? if you claimed Hitler was a bad person and i said no, wouldn't i be called an idiot (or something worse)?

You most likely would, but that would still be wrong.

[Elvenblader]

Guess this debate died down. Well guess this one went down the drain.

[Jake]

yeah... it kinda did when frty quit egging ppl on