[Mobster101]

Kimo's point is this: He is a christian, he's not baptist, methodist, presbaterian (I know I spelled it wrong), or anything else. He follows the Bible and it's teaching. Religion, as I have heard it put, is christianity with to many rules. Kimo is christian whether he is in a "denomanation" or not. I think your getting Faith and Denomination confused.


Anyway,
I accept all people yeah. A guy I call my uncle (He isn't related BTW) is gay and is fine t go to hell for it..(his words, not mine). I just kinda freaked out when this dude walked in. He wasn't there to worship, he was there to hang out with friends.

why would he be there?

^^
My church youth group has turned into a hang-out zone..

[Kaezion]

ferret overlord, i wouldn't exactly call emo people non-conformist. emo people are emo because they think it's cool - do you think they adopt the emo image because it aptly expresses their character? why wasn't "emo" around in the eighties, then, whereas so many "emo" people exist now? it's obviously a fad, one in which douchebags who are confused with their gender are caught up in. (this is not to say anything about emo music groups; some of them actually produce good music.)

and if you took some time to think about it, homosexuality has nothing at all to do with non-conformity.

do you know what else is a fad? ridiculing Christianity. that's what it's been reduced down to, anyways. the vast majority of people who partake in criticizing Christians have nothing more to say than "LOL U HATE FAGZ SO IM SMARTER!!!11"

for example, you.




i don't have a problem with gay people. i don't even have too much problem with emo people - i only hate the conformist side of them. but when a conformist homo visits a church, it's to be a "rebel," obviously - because it's the cool thing to do, to mock Christian traditions. when you try to be a "rebel" by violating others' sacred traditions, i think that's a detestable act.

This post has been edited by Kaezion: 24 May 2006 - 10:01 PM

[Rohtaren]

Somehow i think this is turning into a debat topic... which i don't mind to say the least

first of all

Dude, 1 not my point.
2, Yeah we accept all walks of life but not gay, god hating, american hating emos.

This guy hates god, stepped on the american flag, wrote on the american flag...the list goes on. I'm not saying he wasn't excepted i'm just saying it freaked me out..nevermind..

I'm Christian, and Pentecostal, oh one thing, you can't be "Christian" and not have a denomination, because if your saying "I'm a Christian (no denomination, I follow Christ's teachings, not the teaching of man)." Then you aren't a Christian, the "teaching of man" i really don't know where you get that from, all denominations are different, we follow the Bible, and "being a Christian" means you follow the christian faith, therefore u can't just make up your own religion and say "i just follow his teachings" because his teachings are part of the Bible.. so u're kinda screwing u'reself if u say u're christian, when u're not. And by the way, yes humans wrote the Bible, but as it does say in the Bible that God has filled the authors with the knowledge to write the particular books.

But anyway, back to the point, the Christian faith should, and does accept all people, no matter who they are, I personally don't like Gay people, but not because they're gay, but because of their lifestyle. God loves all people, but he doesn't like (in this case) the gay lifestyle, because the 'gay acts' are considered wrong. And the fact that he walked into your church, is probably a good thing, not a bad one, i mean, maybe he is really messed up and has nowhere to turn to, what kind of response is it if u just shurg him of because he "hates God" i mean, why would he be there?

In these situations you have to be careful, and you have to approach him like any other person, with love and acceptance. Coptic Orthodox, he'll just see that denomination as "gay haters" and might label the whole Christian faith as being "gay haters" which is totally not true.

And this

and turn them into believers simply by being nice to them and showing he really did care and want to get to know them.

Where do u get this nonsense? Jesus didn't "make people believers" by being nice, people believed in him, so that's why they follow him, i thought this was obvious, obviously not.

And God made all people in his likeness, does that mean that Gay people are.... excluded? No it's the fact that Gay people can choose to take their life any path they want, same with all other humans. And for Gay people to have to be straight before they could accept God is also not true, anyone can accept God, your sins are forgiven, but it would be expected that his 'lifestyle'(and i mean his gay way) would have to eventually turn around, and with the help of God that would be extrememly possible. If you want something bad enough it'll get done, get accomplished etc.

And if all you have to say about a topic is "..." because u're islamic, there is really no point... is there? Just think if it was in your situation, for your religion. But anyway, enough rambling...

well, there are non-denominational churches... example, my brother used to be a conservative episcipalian like my family and i, then he just... abondoned that and went to a non-denominational church that was really good and most his college friends and their parents went there.

oh, i forgot that you don't have to be normal to accept god. though, people who are thinking about converting from one religion to christianity.... a poster in my room says:

let it be known.
the man who hang there
is the
all time ultimate,
certified, bonafied
CHAMPION
bow now or bow later!

[Neraphym]

On the other hand, gay people have a REALLY good reason to hate/mock/defame the christian religions.

But other than that, I definitely see what you mean.

[Pendragon205]

Bwahahahahaha!

Doesn't your friend know Christians hate non-conformity? (ZOMGBURN )

I'm not going to say anything, since you make fun of even your own religion.
But, In good sportsmanship, I'll give you a 10 second head start.
Better start runnin. =P

[Res]

Most Christians take the "Gay hating" thing too far, and are too open with their opinions. I've heard one family go so far as to get up and leave a building because a gay couple walked in.

I think they're getting it all mixed up.

God doesn't hate them. K? He hates the act that they participate in. It doesn't mean that He hates the person.

Just like me. Gay people? They're people. I don't care who it is, as long as they aren't complete jerks, I'm ok with them. I don't approve of what they do, but that's not my business to interfere with.

Jesus said "Love thy neighbor." And while I don't approve the gay lifestyle, they're still people and shouldn't be treated like they are. Nobody deserves that.

[Nuu™™]

Kimo's point is this: He is a christian, he's not baptist, methodist, presbaterian (I know I spelled it wrong), or anything else. He follows the Bible and it's teaching. Religion, as I have heard it put, is christianity with to many rules. Kimo is christian whether he is in a "denomanation" or not. I think your getting Faith and Denomination confused.


Anyway,
I accept all people yeah. A guy I call my uncle (He isn't related BTW) is gay and is fine t go to hell for it..(his words, not mine). I just kinda freaked out when this dude walked in. He wasn't there to worship, he was there to hang out with friends.

why would he be there?

^^
My church youth group has turned into a hang-out zone..

Oh so you accept all people now, but you didn't when you posted your first post?

Jesus hung around with the tax collecters and the beggars when he was alive, which would probably be the equivalent of all the minority groups today. Descriminating against gays and emos is quite like the descrimination of the heretics in the age of the Inquisition. It may suit the views in the Old Testement but it does not fit with the New. The contradictions of the Bible strike again.

[Mobster101]

My point was never-ever that I didn't accept them. But, as stated by me and others. HE WAS NOT THERE TO SEEK GOD!!! Thats why I freaked out. I should have posted that orginaly.
He came to be with friends, and more than likeley mock chrisitanity...


I accept gay people. I despise the act they are involved in. I went to a party one time...turned out it was gay party. I left. Why? Becasue I get so pissed off about there lifestyle. I'm a guy, I like to hurt things. When I see a guy kisisng another one and acting like a girl IT PISSES ME THE F*CK OFF!!

[Elvenblader]

Dude, 1 not my point.
2, Yeah we accept all walks of life but not gay, god hating, american hating emos.

This guy hates god, stepped on the american flag, wrote on the american flag...the list goes on. I'm not saying he wasn't excepted i'm just saying it freaked me out..nevermind..

The Bible says that you should "Love thy neighbor." If you say your church accepts all walks of life, then it needs to accept everyone. No matter who or what they are. If the church is selective about who they accept, then they need to go back and look at the scripture. Jesus Christ died on the cross to save everyone from their sins.

Most Christians take the "Gay hating" thing too far, and are too open with their opinions. I've heard one family go so far as to get up and leave a building because a gay couple walked in.

I think they're getting it all mixed up.

God doesn't hate them. K? He hates the act that they participate in. It doesn't mean that He hates the person.

Just like me. Gay people? They're people. I don't care who it is, as long as they aren't complete jerks, I'm ok with them. I don't approve of what they do, but that's not my business to interfere with.

Jesus said "Love thy neighbor." And while I don't approve the gay lifestyle, they're still people and shouldn't be treated like they are. Nobody deserves that.

I fully agree with you on that. A lot of time, when a person is different, they are hated and persecuted for who they are. It makes me sick to think that it happens.

My point was never-ever that I didn't accept them. But, as stated by me and others. HE WAS NOT THERE TO SEEK GOD!!! Thats why I freaked out. I should have posted that orginaly.
He came to be with friends, and more than likeley mock chrisitanity...


I accept gay people. I despise the act they are involved in. I went to a party one time...turned out it was gay party. I left. Why? Becasue I get so pissed off about there lifestyle. I'm a guy, I like to hurt things. When I see a guy kisisng another one and acting like a girl IT PISSES ME THE F*CK OFF!!

It seems that you say that you accept people who are gay, but yet in your heart you despise people who are gay. You should ask yourself this, "Who am I to judge someone else?" Luke 6:37 says that you should not judge or condemn another. "And judge not, and ye shall not be judged: and condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: release, and ye shall be released" Instead of going on about how it ticks you off, try learning to have some humility, compassion, and tolerance for someone who is different. Yes, the bible states that it is wrong to be gay, but you can't force someone to change. A person will only change if they want to. Until then, all you can do is be patient, pray and hope for the best.

[asyluman]

Ahhh why do you guys take the bible so seriously?

They were written by priests and apostles, and are a guide to live by not stuff about hating other people. Maybe he wasn't there to "seek God" but don't profile.

[Elvenblader]

Actually Asylumn, if you look at it, priests and the Apostles weren't the only people that wrote the Bible. I haven’t read the whole Bible, but I am pretty sure that there were a few books that were written by an average Joe. Look at it from another perspective Asyulmn, we all have our own beliefs and ideals. What you believe in is fine, as long as it doesn’t harm or hurt anyone. As long as you don’t try to force your ideals onto another person, then cool. The reason why I take Christianity seriously is because it is like a spiritual anchor. But I also know that I need to accept people for who they are and not judge them

This post has been edited by Elvenblader5: 26 May 2006 - 01:07 AM

[Mobster101]

I accept gay people, am friends with gay people. I don't care what they do..but when I see it in person it pisses me off. Go screw a man in private but for the love of...umm..cspace, don't make me watch!!

[Ferret Overlord]

ferret overlord, i wouldn't exactly call emo people non-conformist. emo people are emo because they think it's cool - do you think they adopt the emo image because it aptly expresses their character? why wasn't "emo" around in the eighties, then, whereas so many "emo" people exist now? it's obviously a fad, one in which douchebags who are confused with their gender are caught up in. (this is not to say anything about emo music groups; some of them actually produce good music.)

and if you took some time to think about it, homosexuality has nothing at all to do with non-conformity.

do you know what else is a fad? ridiculing Christianity. that's what it's been reduced down to, anyways. the vast majority of people who partake in criticizing Christians have nothing more to say than "LOL U HATE FAGZ SO IM SMARTER!!!11"

for example, you.




i don't have a problem with gay people. i don't even have too much problem with emo people - i only hate the conformist side of them. but when a conformist homo visits a church, it's to be a "rebel," obviously - because it's the cool thing to do, to mock Christian traditions. when you try to be a "rebel" by violating others' sacred traditions, i think that's a detestable act.

Aww come on. I'm kidding around. How can I hate Christians if 1/2 of my friends are just that? Also, I don't go "LOL U HATE FAGZ SO IM SMARTER!!!11". I clearly point out the reasons why they're incorrect in their thinking, at least in my mind, and if they're jerks about it in responding, I give them the proper dose of logic (applied liberally). I don't dislike Christianity at all. Please, think about it when you accuse people. Mainly the fact that 33% (Something like that) of the world's population is Christian, so I have to know at least SOME people that are Christian.

Quick quote from my friend. Who is Christian.

Bwahahahahaha!

Doesn't your friend know Christians hate non-conformity? (ZOMGBURN )

I'm not going to say anything, since you make fun of even your own religion.
But, In good sportsmanship, I'll give you a 10 second head start.
Better start runnin. =P

I MAKE FUN OF MY OWN RELIGION. Therefore, my insults are seen in a brighter light, and should not be taken seriously. Especially since I put a emote afterwards. I never try to hurt anyone unless they're really asking for it. And even then it'd be with logic, not crude insults.

[Nuu™™]

My point was never-ever that I didn't accept them. But, as stated by me and others. HE WAS NOT THERE TO SEEK GOD!!! Thats why I freaked out. I should have posted that orginaly.
He came to be with friends, and more than likeley mock chrisitanity...


I accept gay people. I despise the act they are involved in. I went to a party one time...turned out it was gay party. I left. Why? Becasue I get so pissed off about there lifestyle. I'm a guy, I like to hurt things. When I see a guy kisisng another one and acting like a girl IT PISSES ME THE F*CK OFF!!

When I see a guy acting like a girl I tend to double over laughing. You have to admit, gays are widely regarded as being kind of funny. And by the sound of things, you seem to be strongly opposed to homosexuality, maybe it is caused by discomfort with or disapproval of your own sexual orientation? Hate of homosexuality is generally associated with that.

As long as you don’t try to force your ideals onto another person, then cool. The reason why I take Christianity seriously is because it is like a spiritual anchor.

One of the problems with Christianity is exactly that, forcing ideals on other people. Missionaries have been doing that for hundreds of years.

Additionally, your second comment, describing Christ as a spiritual anchor, is most likely why it is so popular. Christianity makes people feel safe, it deludes them into a false sense of security. The fear of death is reassured by the fact that Christians think 'God protects me.' Even then, they know that if God decides they need to die, they will go to heaven and live in eternal bliss. They become more reckless because they think they cannot be harmed.

That last comment is going to annoy a lot of people, isn't it?

[Re@dy_2_Ki!l]

One of the problems with Christianity is exactly that, forcing ideals on other people. Missionaries have been doing that for hundreds of years.

ummm... excuse me, my parents where missionaries and i was with them on the missions field. If you think that we "force" people to believe something, then your totally wrong, i don't know what deprived countries youv'e been to, but I've been to a few.

The aim of missionaries is to well... for starters.. set up a church, help it grow etc, and 'win' people for Christ, we don't jam info down their throats, it's their choices what they want to do, they can come and follow or they can go on living on their own lives, so get some real info before you post something that you just 'think'

Additionally, your second comment, describing Christ as a spiritual anchor, is most likely why it is so popular. Christianity makes people feel safe, it deludes them into a false sense of security. The fear of death is reassured by the fact that Christians think 'God protects me.' Even then, they know that if God decides they need to die, they will go to heaven and live in eternal bliss. They become more reckless because they think they cannot be harmed.

Hmm... where do i start with this... why it's so popular, because it provides false security. Excuse me for being umm, stupid, but I thought most religions where about finding out why on earth we are on this planet. I mean... what is the meaning of life? People, many people believe in Christianity because they believe in Jesus, it's not for a 'free ticket into heaven'. Even if u just go to church every Sunday u still won't go to heaven, ppl believe because they truly believe, it's true many people do say they are christians so that they can just 'get into heaven' but that won't get you into heaven, it's a relationship with Jesus Christ (as the Bible says) that will get u in there.
"They become more reckless because they think they cannot be harmed" - more reckless? Everyone has a plan and a purpose, and we can choose what paths we wish to go down, i don't know what you mean by reckless, i mean all the proper christians i know are pretty steady and have a fantastic life. Why would we think that we cannot be harmed? I think u're screwing with scripture again. Because u're a Christian does not mean you are going to be invincible, it doesn't mean life will get any easier, it doesn't mean all your problems would be solved... what u ask? Well we have hardships, that's what help us grow to become better ppl and then to experience new things and take on bigger things and be a bigger influence to people.

But besides from taht, people have fear of death, because it is the unknown, no one knows what's beyond death. And yes Christianity gives us a reassurance, but what's wrong with wanting to not go to hell? If that's what you believe
it all comes down to beliefs, and cince there are sooo many different different religions and denominations here it's kind hard to say anything

And concerning hte church with no denomination, what beliefs do u follow? if u have no denomination, denomination is sect... so Catholic, Anglican, Baptist, Pentecostal, etc... everyone is different they all believe slightly differently and do things differently. So if u just have "no denomination' what do u follow? i mean... which sect are u closely following?