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#16 {lang:macro__useroffline}   Nuu™™ {lang:icon}

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Posted 05 November 2006 - 03:37 AM

QUOTE(Neraphym @ Nov 5 2006, 11:20 AM) {lang:macro__view_post}

There's also something very scary that I thought about. As you read this sentance, you are storing my intellectual property in a small part of your brain. Under penalty of law, I hereby command you never to think about this sentence ever again. I also wish that the part of you brain stealing my intellectual property be biopsied immediately. (Let's hope this never happens..)


That is even more unreasonable than the last scenario. Nowadays, if you don't want someone to know about something, you either hide the information, or kill them. Far easier and cheaper than the whole biopsy thing. Also, why would you copyright a chemical formula when you could just keep it a secret? There would be myriad possibilities for the chemical formula of Coca Cola, so all you would need to do is keep it a secret and no one would ever work out what the formula is. Coca Cola effectively does that with their recipe nowadays, and yet the amount of possible recipes of Coca Cola would be far less than the amount of possible chemical formulas.
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Posted 21 November 2006 - 06:15 AM

if you patent something that patent is good for 20 years or so, i think.

after that, anyone can take it and make their own Coca Cola.

thats why those companies keep their formulas secret instead of patenting them and making them available for everyone to see.

i've heard that at any given time only two people in the world know the Coca Cola formula. i'm guessing that's an underestimation, but whatever.
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Posted 29 November 2006 - 03:02 AM

QUOTE(Neraphym @ Oct 20 2006, 01:34 PM) {lang:macro__view_post}

I'm sorry you feel that way. What might be unfathomable today might be trivial tomorrow. My computer analogy is absolutely perfect. Take a mindset from the late 19th century and try to make an arguement as to how such a crazy contraption like the internet could never practically exist. It is way too complicated. Can you image a machine that can quickly search and locate a string of billions upon billions of 0's and 1's on a tiny little magnet, then translate them into commands, respond to those commands appropriately, then display them on a light-making machine thousands of miles away? It would require an enormous room full of thingermabobs and doohickeys the likes of which could not possibly exist.

There's a fine line separating the technological visionary from the Jules Verne addict.


My belief is that science and technological advances can't continue forever and ever. I think that there will come a time when scientists and everyone else will no longer be able to discover further -- at least on certain subjects. I'm sure that human beings will never reach their full potential, but I believe that our full potential likely falls short of quite a few things -- matter replication included. So yeah, while an arguement found in this topic about matter replication could indeed be near exactly the same as one about computers a century ago, these arguements are probably much more likely to be correct XD

QUOTE(Neraphym @ Nov 4 2006, 05:20 PM) {lang:macro__view_post}

There's also something very scary that I thought about. As you read this sentance, you are storing my intellectual property in a small part of your brain. Under penalty of law, I hereby command you never to think about this sentence ever again. I also wish that the part of you brain stealing my intellectual property be biopsied immediately. (Let's hope this never happens..)


Actually, technically, you never copyrighted that sentence... so I can steal it as much as I want and copyright it first, and your brain would be biopsied for stealing my sentence and typing it in this topic XD

Also, you couldn't really ever decide that I actually have read that sentence, after you've copyrighted it and all, since it's impossible to read someone's memories with science (but it's definitely possible with magic!). To my knowledge, scientists don't even know how memories are stored XD So if I never mention to anyone that I've read your sentence, you'd never be able to say that I've read it. Even if you do know I've read it, you would never be able to determine if I ever think about your sentence again anyway XD

So... that post is a bit worthless >.<







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Posted 30 November 2006 - 03:29 AM

QUOTE(Darkness™ @ Nov 28 2006, 10:02 PM) {lang:macro__view_post}

QUOTE(Neraphym @ Nov 4 2006, 05:20 PM) {lang:macro__view_post}

There's also something very scary that I thought about. As you read this sentance, you are storing my intellectual property in a small part of your brain. Under penalty of law, I hereby command you never to think about this sentence ever again. I also wish that the part of you brain stealing my intellectual property be biopsied immediately. (Let's hope this never happens..)


Actually, technically, you never copyrighted that sentence... so I can steal it as much as I want and copyright it first, and your brain would be biopsied for stealing my sentence and typing it in this topic XD



You don't actually have to register a copyright to have protection for intellectual property. As soon as you type it or write it, it has limited copyright protection.

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Posted 02 December 2006 - 01:11 PM

QUOTE(Neraphym @ Oct 17 2006, 06:52 PM) {lang:macro__view_post}

Ah, that's definitely a good point. But what is going to happen when matter replication becomes possible? Would money even be necessary? Why work your {expletive antidisestablishmentarianized by Cspace} of to get money if you can't buy anything with it? All you'd have to do is press a button and whatever you want appears. Of course, this only applies to goods. Services and real estate would be unaffected. What might happen?

In terms of whether money, bartering and other basics of trade are formed then my answer is yes. On the very basic level, bartering has been a major pillar of human society. To process of replicating something would not be as simple as a push of a button and presto you have an instant product. The process would have be a major trial and error kind of thing. Instantly dismantling and rebuilding each atom individually would be something that requires extreme amounts of time, effort and concentration. More than any single human is quite possibly capable of.

But moving onto my point about replication and trade. The introduction of something that replicates would most likely add a new degree in how things are traded, but the principle might just stay the same. Someone replicates something, they sell it on the market and it goes from there. People in any society are greedy and need something that they can hold and has physical form. Something like money, gold, silver, etc. I'm not saying that each and every person is greedy, but on some levels a person needs something that is actually tangible and is able to be held. If they cant have this kind of object or currency, what will motivate them to create better products and improve the design of their replicated product? Doing it for the greater good of humanity and the progress of human technology? I think not, excluding probably a select few people. Things like money, power, and benefits are what drive and motivate people.

QUOTE(Neraphym @ Oct 19 2006, 03:49 PM) {lang:macro__view_post}

You could have made a similar arguement about computers 100 years ago.

Yes people could have made the same comment about computers 100 years ago, but the computer in essence dates back many centuries to the days of the Ancient World and quite possibly earlier than that. The Abacus, sun dial, and various other inventions were the baseline inventions that would soon evolve into the personal computer, wrist watch, calculator, etc. I'm not very familiar with how replication works, but if what a lot of people say here is right about replication taking massive amounts of energy to create a simple object as a pencil for example, then it would take unrealistic amounts of energy and money to create an object like say a computer or something. Quite honestly, in my opinion, I do not think something can be created out of nothing.

Another problem I see with the replication theory is in terms of copyrighting and protecting your product. An example of what I mean is if two scientists from two different corporations create product that are similar and quite possibly exactly the same but the method and formula's they used to create the product differed, who is entitled to the copyright? Now only if both scientists started in the same amount of time and finished in similar time frame. They go ask their bosses to get copyrights upon this product they designed, now the question I present to you, if both corporations gained the copyrights to this product, who has the right to produce the product if both corporations have the exact same copyright but due to intellectual property laws, they are conflicting and neither is allowed to make this product. Who gets the right to make the product and sell it on the market and who doesn't? Yes, I know it's very complicated what I said, but I ask everyone that question about who gets the rights.




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Posted 02 December 2006 - 08:49 PM

Yes, they invisioned basic machines made of wood and bronze. There's no way in hell that they could have imagined this strange looking plastic box sitting in front of me that is capable of doing what it does. There are going to be inventions within the next 50 years no one could have possibly forseen. That's the way it is these days. Anything simple has been invented, or is atleast forseable (sp?), it's the crazy super-complex stuff that is left for mankind to discover. I really don't want to debate the feasibility of technologies beyond our CURRENT understanding.

The problem with intellectual property laws is that they will pretty much be made worthless by a matter replicator. The problem is, without such laws, people are going to stop inventing new stuff, as there would be no reward for doing so. By then, I'd imagine we'd have robots to perform services and spaceships to expand our real estate. Mankind would reach a plateau of lethargy.
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Posted 04 December 2006 - 12:10 AM

just as there will be unimaginably advanced technology in the future that will make life so much easier for us, there will always be unforseen problems that will arise that will make life that much harder for us; they will balance each other out.
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Posted 05 December 2006 - 04:05 AM

True. Some very horrible people will perform some attrotious acts and screw everything up for the rest of us.
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Posted 05 December 2006 - 05:46 AM

Yo momma will screw everything up for the rest of us.... hehehmn.gif
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Posted 05 December 2006 - 05:54 AM

exactly
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Posted 05 December 2006 - 10:30 PM

only posts whose contents make sense to people with 3 digit IQs should be allowed in the debate forum plx? (i got all excited when i saw new posts in debate forum... cry.gif )
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Posted 06 December 2006 - 03:33 AM

As much as I like the ideas of robots helping us out, fears of things like Terminator and The Matrix keep me very fearful. eek13.gif



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Posted 06 December 2006 - 05:45 PM

You'll never need to be afraid of that stuff happening. The sci-fi movie industry has taught us all lessons on what not to do when making robots, and I think we won't make those mistakes. Besides, robots are easy to kill.
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Posted 11 December 2006 - 12:26 PM

Neraphym, you would be very surprised at how ignorant people can be and idiotic people can be. An example of what I mean is this, X scientist creates a super computer that is capable of self awareness and feeling. Now if that scientist unknowingly created that super computer with this kind of awareness, how would you tell if it was capable of awareness if it didn't well say, commit suicide so to speak. Moving onto my point, if that super computer was in control of say the entire power grid ranging from Los Angeles to New York, the country would have mass, widespread blackouts. Now the question people might be asking is why the heck did we entrust a super computer with this much control and power? The answer most likely is we do not know. It just happened and was the unexpected X factor in the equation.

The point I am trying to make here is that the idealogical idea of a future where humans are like cyborgs, robots do the menial tasks of humans, added in the colonization of other planets outside our solar system, with the possibility of real estate in space is great. I admit, that would be awesome, but this all comes down to a price. We wont get something like this without a price. What that price will be I do not know, given my religious beliefs and conscience, I doubt that we will see colonization of space and other planets outside our solar system within our lifetime. Our children and our children's children might probably be the pioneers that lead these kind of scientific and exploration endeavors. But I could be wrong, our knowledge and technological gains are quantum leaps ahead of what we had say during the Industrial Age. Sadly which comes to my last detail. Like one of the guys who posted, (Forgive me for not recalling the name, it's a little over 4:00 in the morning when I posted this.) Humanity will come to a point where we reach some limits in or knowledge. An example that supports this is the Prescott and the 10 Ghz processor that Intel said they would try to create. When they designed the processor they ran into a major problem. That problem was heat and power consumption. Since they couldn't break the laws of physics they had to rethink their game plan and are now opting for more cores and better efficiency. The processor no longer being about speed but how the information is effectively delivered. Given 5-10 years from now, they hope to have 80 cores on a die.

So all in all things will work out. But I wont delve into the end of the world kind of theories and apocalyptic details. But thats just my perception of things.



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Posted 12 December 2006 - 12:17 AM

Well, if people implement a piece of code they don't fully understand, they deserve to have their power grid offline. Besides, it wouldn't be intelligent if it did that. Example:

if( cutPower() )
{
cout << "The humans will turn me off and delete me." << endl;
}


Finally, I agree with the prospect of us reaching somekind of limit. I mean, there's only so much to understand about the workings of the universe.
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