[rodgertutt]

The “danger” in preaching the truth resides only in the imagination of the person who doesn’t understand the truth.

The online book “HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE” by James Coram needs no defence. It stands on its own merit.
It has helped many people. It will help many more.

All comments and questions regarding this book are responded to within the writing itself, for example, “WHAT ARE CORRECT TRANSLATIONS OF THE BIBLE?”

A frequent response to first learning about the existence of this book is,
“You believe the words of men, but we believe the Bible.”
But the actual reading of, “HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE” by James Coram will prove to all readers that JUST THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE.

IMHO, "HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE" by James Coram is the most powerful of all of the dozens of books that I have read, the hundreds of tapes that I have listened to, and the many online articles that I have read that show that a correctly, (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaches universal salvation, not eternal torment, or even annihilation. (I am 68 years old)

In fact, to me it is so powerful that it renders all arguments to the contrary completely irrelevant to the truth that it proves that, by the time God’s plan for the ages of time has been consummated, the universal salvation of all sinful creatures from everything from which they need to be saved, most certainly, will have occurred.

It has seventeen chapters, each chapter having its own highlighted heading followed by a short introduction.
Just click on the highlighted heading and the entire text of that chapter will appear.

Since I have read many writings, the sum total of which contain every argument in existence in support of the idea that the Bible teaches eternal torment or annihilation, I am confident that if anyone were to read "HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE" in it's entirety, they would change their mind about their belief that the Bible teaches eternal torment or annihilation.

However, as a friend recently reminded me, one must be disposed of the Ultimate Placer to receive any revelation; it’s all about Sovereign causes & effects. Or as Ralph Waldo Emerson put it, “People only see what they are prepared to see.”

From Rodger Tutt in Toronto, Canada

[Neraphym]

If what you say (or he says) is true about there being no eternal torment and suffering, then there is no reason to bother believing. The Atheist, the Muslim, the Christian, the cerial killer, and Cspace all go into eternal paradice. Sounds great!

[Res]

Your statements seem to be, in a way, misconceived. From what you appear to be saying, is that people as a whole, unless they're absolutely Christlike perfect, will go to Hell when they die. As a Christian myself, I cannot help but to argue this point.

We're taught that there's no way to Heaven than through Christ himself. None of us are perfect, and none of us deserve the gift of Heaven as we die. What is asked for us to receive eternity in Heaven is to believe that God came to earth in the body of a human, lived a completely sinless life, but gave himself up as a passageway to Heaven. The ultimate sacrifice so we would have to make no more. Had it not been for his life being given and taken, we would have no way to enter heaven unless by leading perfect lives. Which is impossible on human standards. The only way Christ was able to do it is because he was God incarnate.

But that still leaves us as imperfect. We mess up and we always will. So how can a God love creations he made that are imperfect? We believe, and we ask forgiveness when we recognize that we sin. If we understand our mistakes, and earnestly try to end them, we'll be forgiven at every turn, because that's what God does. It's.. Just what he does. O.o

Just because you die doesn't mean you're instantly banished to Hell until the end of time. As a Christian, it's the belief of believing Jesus was the Son of God, and that he did die for us. It's also believing that we can be forgiven if we follow that first step and ask.

Also, if you think about it collectively, a lifetime of pain and suffering is immeasurable to an eternity of happiness and paradise. Just a thought.

[Neraphym]

I think he's saying NO person goes to hell, regardless of anything they do in life (which is ultimately god's fault). We don't need to acknowledge the existance of god or follow any rules, as there are no consequences for such actions.

[Dragonman]

I removed the links so that the debate could go on.

[Nuu™™]

How can the debate go on if we don't have the essay which the debate is about?

[Neraphym]

You're a master debater; you'll figure it out!